Tennessee's deep bench

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From ESPN Insider:

Under the gaze of Bruce Pearl, Tennessee did not rely on it's bench. Per Ken Pomeroy, UT's bench accounted for roughly 32 percent of the squad's available minutes. Pearl typically used his starters for large chunks of the game and since the 2006-07 season, there was only one season in which Pearl frequently relied on the Volunteers' second and third line players (the 2009-10 season).

However, under Cuonzo Martin, there has been a shift in the distribution of minutes. The Vols' bench experiences about 38 percent of available minutes, ranked in the nation's top 40 (according to Pomeroy's database).

In Tennessee's recent win over Georgia, the Vols' bench outscored UGA's bench by a margin of 18 points. We wonder if the statistical change is due to the addition of Jarnell Stokes and the three-point shooting of Jordan McCrae. Stokes only uses 16 percent of UT's minutes but has become a valuable interior player, and McCrae isn't the most prolific shooter from long-range, he has connected on 35 percent of his threes.
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:confused:

Am I mistaken or is this just flat out wrong? Stokes is a starter, McRae is not. Also Pearl was notorious for using an extremely deep bench.
 
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Not mistaken. And yes, you're right. Pearl always had a deep bench, but he did use the starters in large chunks before utilizing that bench.

Also, did ESPN really call Jordan McRae "McCrae?" ESPN hates us.
 
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my question is how do u get mcthree to shave that porn stash?
 
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FRO said:
my question is how do u get mcthree to shave that porn stash?
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You don't. He started this season with it, he should finish with it. You don't start something that bold and then wuss out on national TV because people call it a porn-stache. He's gotta keep this one going.... :crazy:
 
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FRO said:
my question is how do u get mcthree to shave that porn stash?
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I love how people complain more about McBee's mustache than his game.

Get over it people.

*Edit: That wasn't a bash McBee's game statement... just old hearing about his facial hair.
 
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golfballs03 said:
From ESPN Insider:



:confused:

Am I mistaken or is this just flat out wrong? Stokes is a starter, McRae is not. Also Pearl was notorious for using an extremely deep bench.
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That is the furthest thing from the truth I've ever read. Wtf?

It says 38% of our minutes are from the bench. There are 200 minutes in a game, that would mean 76 minutes go to bench, and 124 go to starters. 124 is an average of about 25 minutes per starter, I know everyone except Richardson averages more than that. Anybody on s computer can you see what our bench averages for minutes?
 
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golfballs03 said:
Am I mistaken or is this just flat out wrong? Stokes is a starter, McRae is not. Also Pearl was notorious for using an extremely deep bench.
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Well the addition of Stokes adds depth to the bench because it moved someone from the starting rotation to the bench. Also, this was a bad game to base our bench stats on because it just happened to be the game our leading scorer came off the bench.

IMO it depends on your definition of deep. Pearl had a deep bench in terms of talent, but weren't used as much. Martin's bench doesn't have near the talent, but does eat up more minutes per game.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
That is the furthest thing from the truth I've ever read. Wtf?

It says 38% of our minutes are from the bench. There are 200 minutes in a game, that would mean 76 minutes go to bench, and 124 go to starters. 124 is an average of about 25 minutes per starter, I know everyone except Richardson averages more than that. Anybody on s computer can you see what our bench averages for minutes?
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Actually the only three players that average more minutes then 25 is Golden (31.3), Tatum (28.7), and Maymon (26.5). The next in line are Stokes (24.3) who is the only other player above 20. Hall, McRae, and McBee are all averaging 19 mpg. And Richardson and Woolridge are both at 16.
 
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volfan865 said:
Actually the only three players that average more minutes then 25 is Golden (31.3), Tatum (28.7), and Maymon (26.5). The next in line are Stokes (24.3) who is the only other player above 20. Hall, McRae, and McBee are all averaging 19 mpg. And Richardson and Woolridge are both at 16.
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Stokes must have dipped under 25 the last game, he had been above 25, my bad. How about sec play? I really feel like since sec the rotation has been cut down a lot, a lot of those minutes per game were padded early in the year.
 
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I didn't subscribe to Ken Pom after it went behind a paywall, but I followed it for years, and I always remember Tennessee having one of the highest bench minutes in CBB.
 
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In sec play our starters average 133 minutes, which is 67%, that means our bench gets 33% of minutes. As someone else referred to the addition of stokes makes that a bit higher, he has been unable to stay out there am consistently 30 minutes. Also, the fact that Richardson is a freshman and not producing is giving way to a lot of minutes for skylar and McRae lately.

Ideally, Martin would like his starters to pull 150 minutes atleast. Msu last year 5 starters in conference play averaged 156 minutes leaving the bench 44 minutes which is 22%. Right now he just doesn't really have the clear talent gap at all positions that he needs to do that, and stokes doesn't have the endurance or knowledge to play 30+ minutes. I expect next years team to see less minutes from the bench, especially come conference play. He just really has no other choice this year, we just don't have the talent to play our bench less.
 
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golfballs03 said:
I didn't subscribe to Ken Pom after it went behind a paywall, but I followed it for years, and I always remember Tennessee having one of the highest bench minutes in CBB.
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I went back and looked and he's right. I guess the perception is different because Martin brings out just a few guys like mcbee, McRae and hall from the bench for most of the minutes.

Pearl would bring off 5 or 6 guys from the bench for minutes. I think it just have the perception that he played the bench a ton.

As I said above I wouldn't expect this to be a ccm norm.
 
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Well, it's pretty clear that this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. Almost every sentence in that little snippet had inaccuracies. It's best just to ignore it.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Well, it's pretty clear that this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. Almost every sentence in that little snippet had inaccuracies. It's best just to ignore it.
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it really does sound inaccurate, but its true, pearls last couple years he played his bench less than ccm is. seems weird i know.
 
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martins starters play 127.3 this year; in comparison to pearl's teams:

05-06: 137.9
06-07: 132.6
07-08: 129.9
08-09: 133.2
09-10: 131.3
10-11: 133.9

i know this is surprising, but its true, i think it just seems pearl played his bench more because he played 5 guys sometimes 6 off the bench. ccm plays only 3 sometimes 4 off of the bench, so it seems he doesnt go as deep.

as i stated earlier i wouldnt expect this to be a norm coming from a ccm team, his teams at msu went like this:

08-09: 139.7
09-10: 131.1
10-11(his best season): 152.6
 
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golfballs03 said:
As far as bench minutes go
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im not sure which you're pointing to, how little his bench played at msu or how much it plays this year here? which are you reffering to being tops im not sure haha

as far as his teams at msu id say his starters minutes were definitely around tops in the ncaa
 
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