Terrible Call

#2
#2
This is ridiculous. I hope they bring the real refs back by the time the world series starts.
 
#3
#3
It wasn't a bad call. Stop being butt hurt.

It was just unfortunate. The only thing the ump did poorly was signaled it too late. It was an infield fly though.
 
#4
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Vols520 said:
It wasn't a bad call. Stop being butt hurt.

It was just unfortunate. The only thing the ump did poorly was signaled it too late. It was an infield fly though.
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No it wasn't, and I am not a braves fan.
 
#8
#8
Well, I don't know what to tell you, other than you don't know the rule:

Infield fly rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Under the Official Baseball Rules used in Major League Baseball and many lower leagues, "Infield Fly" is explained by rule 2.00 (Definitions of terms: Infield Fly), and rule 6.05e (Batter is out).

The rule applies only when there are fewer than two outs, and there is a force play at third base (i.e., when there are runners at first and second base, or the bases are loaded).[1] In these situations, if a fair fly ball is in play, and in the umpire's judgment it is catchable by an infielder with ordinary effort, the umpire shall call "infield fly" (or more often, "infield fly, batter's out"); the batter will be out[2] regardless of whether the ball is actually caught in flight.
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Sorry to quote wikipedia, but I'm too lazy to look it up on an actual website. It looked like a pretty ordinary effort from the 2nd baseman to me...
 
#10
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Thrasher865 said:
Well, I don't know what to tell you, other than you don't know the rule:

Infield fly rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Sorry to quote wikipedia, but I'm too lazy to look it up on an actual website. It looked like a pretty ordinary effort from the 2nd baseman to me...
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You either didn't watch the play or don't understand the rule.

1.) The umpire is supposed to make the call immediately. I'll let you go back and watch the replay and see where he actually makes the call.

2.) the infielder is supposed to be camped out under the ball after making an ordinary effort. His feet were never set (meaning he is not camped out under the ball) and I think most people who watch baseball on a regular basis can agree that it was not ordinary effort.

3.) In the past three years six balls have dropped resulting in an out due to the infield fly rule. The farthest one from home plate was somewhere around 175 ft. Friday night's infield fly dropped somehwre 230 ft away from home plate. That is what most would call an outlier.

4.) the rule was put in place to protect the runners. The resulting call never did that because the runners had to hover round halfway because the umpire would not make a call.

I will end by saying that the infield fly could have been called. However, the manner in which it was done went against te integrity of the rule and game.
 
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Vols520 said:
It wasn't a bad call. Stop being butt hurt.

It was just unfortunate. The only thing the ump did poorly was signaled it too late. It was an infield fly though.
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BS. He waited until he saw the infielder was backing off, and then he called it. The rule is intended to benefit the offense, not bail the defense out.
 
#12
#12
You have to call the infield fly very quick. The umpire should have called it way before he did. He called it when it was about 30 feet in the air.

My understanding of the Ordinary effort rule is that any movement more than a brisk walk(Pace) is considered more than ordinary effort. It was a bad call, but it did not cost them the game. They should not of been down to start with.
 
#13
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volinreallife said:
It was a bad call, but it did not cost them the game. They should not of been down to start with.
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That is the standard line given to rationalize what happened. But no one can ever say that. No one knows what would have happened if the call wasn't made. All that is known for certain is that it was a terrible call and cost Atlanta an out in the middle of what could have been a game changing rally.
 
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Thrasher865 said:
Well, I don't know what to tell you, other than you don't know the rule:

Infield fly rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Sorry to quote wikipedia, but I'm too lazy to look it up on an actual website. It looked like a pretty ordinary effort from the 2nd baseman to me...
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I'm not going toretend that the one call cost the Braves the ga,e, but That's comical. The SS was almost to medium depth in LF, a full 225 ft from the plate and he never stopped moving. The problem is that it has to dawn on the umpire that the ball is so far into the OF that the runners are going to be able to advance.

The rule is in place to protect base runners from infielders intentionally dropping short fly balls to set up force plays, not bail out the defense on a tough play. The way it got called Friday night, every time a ball goes in the air into "no man's land" with runners on, an infielder should just throw up his arms and yell "I got it" so the umpire will call infield fly.
 
#15
#15
It wasn't anywhere close to far enough out for the runners to advance from what I recall.
 
#16
#16
Okay, I watched it again, and it's borderline. The call wasn't wrong, but it should have been made earlier.

It was definitely a pretty ordinary effort by the SS, though. I mean, the ball was closer to 3B, but the SS still just jogged out there casually.
 
#18
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Thrasher865 said:
Okay, I watched it again, and it's borderline. The call wasn't wrong, but it should have been made earlier.

It was definitely a pretty ordinary effort by the SS, though. I mean, the ball was closer to 3B, but the SS still just jogged out there casually.
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The problem was that the call COULDN'T have been made earlier because the SS was ranging so far into LF that he wasn't under the ball until the last second and then peeled off.
 
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GAVol said:
Then how did the runners advance to 2nd and 3rd on the play with no throw?
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Because nobody played the ball... If someone had let it fall with the intent to pick off the runners, they surely couldn't have gotten both. So, I guess it would go against the spirit of the infield fly rule in that sense.
 
#20
#20
There is no way that was the right call. By the letter of the law it was called too late, and the SS didn't even get to the spot to make a play.

By the spirit of the law it did not benefit the offense (the whole intent of the rule), it bailed out the defense.

It's ridiculous for anybody to argue that this was the right call.
 
#21
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Thrasher865 said:
Because nobody played the ball... If someone had let it fall with the intent to pick off the runners, they surely couldn't have gotten both. So, I guess it would go against the spirit of the infield fly rule in that sense.
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Bingo. That's my whole point.
 
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