Texas a&m holdup

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With the big 12 staying put, what is the hold up with the aggies to the sec. I thought espn said if oklahoma stays then no one will sue, so why haven't they made this official yet?
 
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This is not over. The strings oklahoma has attached to staying in the bxii are basically a demand for texas to play fair with everyone, which they have shown no willingness to do.
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the hold up is legal mumbo jumbo and also seeing if the big 12 implodes, which would save a&m some cash.

here's the deal. the pac 12 won't take oklahoma without texas. texas won't go to the pac 12 without being able to hog their longhorn network money. so, they are back at square one.

however, when the big 12 meets to "save the league", there are fish (hello missouri) that have a better pond elsewhere if texas doesn't want to play nice with all of the other children in the sandbox. so, the league may still implode.

but, they are going to have to work something out so that schools not named texas and oklahoma that can find a good landing spot somewhere else are happy or else they will find a new home.

i think texas is pretty adament about the lhn and i don't think the big 12 survives
 
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99gator said:
the hold up is legal mumbo jumbo and also seeing if the big 12 implodes, which would save a&m some cash.

here's the deal. the pac 12 won't take oklahoma without texas. texas won't go to the pac 12 without being able to hog their longhorn network money. so, they are back at square one.

however, when the big 12 meets to "save the league", there are fish (hello missouri) that have a better pond elsewhere if texas doesn't want to play nice with all of the other children in the sandbox. so, the league may still implode.

but, they are going to have to work something out so that schools not named texas and oklahoma that can find a good landing spot somewhere else are happy or else they will find a new home.

i think texas is pretty adament about the lhn and i don't think the big 12 survives
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Agreed...if the Big XII has any kind of longevity going forward, it'll be with Texas and a handful of lower-profile schools who are actually better off being the Horns' whipping boys - Baylor, Iowa St, SMU, Houston, etc. - because they've got nowhere else to go.

Schools like Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Mizzou, Kansas, and K-State might all have better options in the SEC or Big Ten in the not too distant future.
 
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OU and aTm need to stay put and expell Tejas from the conference. Then they would need to dictate their terms if their relationships to their favor and not Tejas. The Longhorns would need to beg for games as an independent. Visiting teams would be able to name their price to go to Austin.
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Oklahoma lost all their leverage once the Pac-12 thing died. Apparently there's no interest either way in them joining the SEC. So therefore I don't see why Texas would give an inch on anything. They'll dump Beebe, they'll make some fig-leaf "concessions," but they aren't going to budge at all on anything serious because Oklahoma doesn't have anywhere to go.
 
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Baylor and the other schools that said they would sue along with their fans are hoping A&M will change their minds and stay in the Big 12. So they think if they keep saying they will sue that A&M will give up and come back.
 
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utvolsfan131 said:
Baylor and the other schools that said they would sue along with their fans are hoping A&M will change their minds and stay in the Big 12. So they think if they keep saying they will sue that A&M will give up and come back.
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they actually sued them and threatened not to drop the case unless OU firmly committed to staying in the Big 12


....yep that crazy; pretty much a hostage situation
 
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TrueOrange said:
they actually sued them and threatened not to drop the case unless OU firmly committed to staying in the Big 12


....yep that crazy; pretty much a hostage situation
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Yup,,Baylor,,or rather Ken Starr,,that's what he does. Good thing a blue dress ain't involved.
 
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TrueOrange said:
they actually sued them and threatened not to drop the case unless OU firmly committed to staying in the Big 12


....yep that crazy; pretty much a hostage situation
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A lawsuit hasn't been filed as of yet. At this point it's all a threat.
 
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Heard the Big 12 commissioner was fired. This could keep the conference alive.
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chattdeerhunter said:
With the big 12 staying put, what is the hold up with the aggies to the sec. I thought espn said if oklahoma stays then no one will sue, so why haven't they made this official yet?
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They can take their sweet- *** time as far as I'm concerned. Heck, take a decade or 3
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That conference is a ticking bomb. I'm even less confident it survives than I was after they duct taped it together last year. Baylor is holding everyone hostage by threatening lawsuits, Texas will keep demanding a greater revenue share, the frustration will continue to grow. If Texas A&M decides not to join the SEC, they are making a huge mistake. Time to get out now.
 
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tim said:
Heard the Big 12 commissioner was fired. This could keep the conference alive.
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Just means theyll focus on finding a replacement for A&M (assuming texas's greed isn't so strong that they can't be talked down into regulating the longhorn network)
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Dr.Vol said:
That conference is a ticking bomb. I'm even less confident it survives than I was after they duct taped it together last year. Baylor is holding everyone hostage by threatening lawsuits, Texas will keep demanding a greater revenue share, the frustration will continue to grow. If Texas A&M decides not to join the SEC, they are making a huge mistake. Time to get out now.
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ATM is out now already. More than likely, since OU is most likely back in, they're going to drop their threats to sue (unless Ken Starr just really, really enjoys being a dick like that)
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Dr.Vol said:
That conference is a ticking bomb. I'm even less confident it survives than I was after they duct taped it together last year. Baylor is holding everyone hostage by threatening lawsuits, Texas will keep demanding a greater revenue share, the frustration will continue to grow. If Texas A&M decides not to join the SEC, they are making a huge mistake. Time to get out now.
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It's stable now because the nine remaining schools have entered into a binding agreement that the Big 12 holds the TV rights for all nine schools for the next six years. Under this agreement, if one school was to leave the conference, the Big 12 would still hold that school's TV rights for the remainder of the six years. Those nine are now totally solid.

A&M is still getting pushed HARD by people inside their state to reconsider. And with no natural 14th team emerging to increase SEC revenue, that might not be their worse course of action.

The other factor is A&M will now owe a hefty exit fee. If the conference had imploded like they were expecting, hey would not have owed it. There will be litigation over the exit fee.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
It's stable now because the nine remaining schools have entered into a binding agreement that the Big 12 holds the TV rights for all nine schools for the next six years. Under this agreement, if one school was to leave the conference, the Big 12 would still hold that school's TV rights for the remainder of the six years. Those nine are now totally solid.

A&M is still getting pushed HARD by people inside their state to reconsider. And with no natural 14th team emerging to increase SEC revenue, that might not be their worse course of action.

The other factor is A&M will now owe a hefty exit fee. If the conference had imploded like they were expecting, hey would not have owed it. There will be litigation over the exit fee.
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I do not see any scenario where A&M pulls out of this. The backlash from their fanbase would be epic. The overriding opinion on their board is that they are tickled pink that they are not stuck in that cesspool of a conference. Loftin knows that to separate A&M from the mob boss t.u. that he has to get out of the same conference. The SEC gets what they want by getting into the Texas market. Number fourteen will come along in due time. Best to be patient in times like these.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
It's stable now because the nine remaining schools have entered into a binding agreement that the Big 12 holds the TV rights for all nine schools for the next six years. Under this agreement, if one school was to leave the conference, the Big 12 would still hold that school's TV rights for the remainder of the six years. Those nine are now totally solid.
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How can they do that? The TV networks don't sign contracts directly with the schools, do they? They make contracts with the conferences.

So if a team left and went to another conference, the rights would be in the hands of a third party to this agreement.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
It's stable now because the nine remaining schools have entered into a binding agreement that the Big 12 holds the TV rights for all nine schools for the next six years. Under this agreement, if one school was to leave the conference, the Big 12 would still hold that school's TV rights for the remainder of the six years. Those nine are now totally solid.

A&M is still getting pushed HARD by people inside their state to reconsider. And with no natural 14th team emerging to increase SEC revenue, that might not be their worse course of action.

The other factor is A&M will now owe a hefty exit fee. If the conference had imploded like they were expecting, hey would not have owed it. There will be litigation over the exit fee.
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only two schools have agreed to this-Texas and Oklahoma. The other schools have not agreed to that proposal yet. Some stability. They can't even agree to what they have agreed upon.:loco:
 
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Velo Vol said:
How can they do that? The TV networks don't sign contracts directly with the schools, do they? They make contracts with the conferences.

So if a team left and went to another conference, the rights would be in the hands of a third party to this agreement.
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Correct. The schools have agreed (according to the OU president) to sign over the rights to the conference for a 6-year period. The conference will sell those rights to a media partner. In this case, it just solidifies the conference and its current TV deals.
 
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So what has been done in the way of keeping Texas from acting like a total dick, aside from taking away conference games from their precious TLN?
 
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I'm not following. Don't all schools already sign media agreements with their conferences? How is this different than what UT has agreed to with the SEC?
 
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