That one false start. You know the one.

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First off, I'll admit refs didnt cost us the game with their calls and ball spots, though they were terrible at times. Several false starts I never saw the movement and obviously neither did the commentators or they would have pointed it out on replay, and multiple times an obvious 1st down turned into just short.

My question is in regards to the false start we had where the refs paused play and had yet to whistle it live yet still called a false start. Is there a rule justifying that call? Genuinely curious cause I don't know the answer, but it seems like false starts should only be enforceable once whistle blows to resume play.
 
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jcvols24 said:
First off, I'll admit refs didnt cost us the game with their calls and ball spots, though they were terrible at times. Several false starts I never saw the movement and obviously neither did the commentators or they would have pointed it out on replay, and multiple times an obvious 1st down turned into just short.

My question is in regards to the false start we had where the refs paused play and had yet to whistle it live yet still called a false start. Is there a rule justifying that call? Genuinely curious cause I don't know the answer, but it seems like false starts should only be enforceable once whistle blows to resume play.
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Definitely some bad spots I thought
 
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What Counts as a False Start?
Teams commit false start penalties in one simple way:
If an offensive player assumes a set position and then moves in any way that would simulate the start of a play.

So, regarding the play in question IIRC, a ref was literally still in our backfield, but one of the set lineman jumped anyway. Penalty.
 
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jcvols24 said:
First off, I'll admit refs didnt cost us the game with their calls and ball spots, though they were terrible at times. Several false starts I never saw the movement and obviously neither did the commentators or they would have pointed it out on replay, and multiple times an obvious 1st down turned into just short.

My question is in regards to the false start we had where the refs paused play and had yet to whistle it live yet still called a false start. Is there a rule justifying that call? Genuinely curious cause I don't know the answer, but it seems like false starts should only be enforceable once whistle blows to resume play.
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players are saying that they couldnt hear,so we knew this would be an issue,did we not have a plan to overcome that,?
 
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jcvols24 said:
First off, I'll admit refs didnt cost us the game with their calls and ball spots, though they were terrible at times. Several false starts I never saw the movement and obviously neither did the commentators or they would have pointed it out on replay, and multiple times an obvious 1st down turned into just short.

My question is in regards to the false start we had where the refs paused play and had yet to whistle it live yet still called a false start. Is there a rule justifying that call? Genuinely curious cause I don't know the answer, but it seems like false starts should only be enforceable once whistle blows to resume play.
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No

They screwed the pooch ( well the hound) with that one.
 
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jcvols24 said:
First off, I'll admit refs didnt cost us the game with their calls and ball spots, though they were terrible at times. Several false starts I never saw the movement and obviously neither did the commentators or they would have pointed it out on replay, and multiple times an obvious 1st down turned into just short.

My question is in regards to the false start we had where the refs paused play and had yet to whistle it live yet still called a false start. Is there a rule justifying that call? Genuinely curious cause I don't know the answer, but it seems like false starts should only be enforceable once whistle blows to resume play.
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We had that the last game as well. They licked flag up. May have been against bama we did that.
 
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There was one false start called on us in the first half and I saw no movement by anybody on the replay. Maybe somebody twitched and I missed it.
 
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MontyPython said:
What Counts as a False Start?
Teams commit false start penalties in one simple way:
If an offensive player assumes a set position and then moves in any way that would simulate the start of a play.

So, regarding the play in question IIRC, a ref was literally still in our backfield, but one of the set lineman jumped anyway. Penalty.
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What I don’t understand is the whole line will set then the QB will back up and look to the sideline or check and the OL will stand up and reset too. Mincey’s move was definitely forward so a guess that’s the simulating of a play piece. I still don’t get how a player can be set for play though when the ball is literally not in play. If both teams are running guys on and off the field, obvious movement, and it’s allowable because the ball is not in play then other forms of movement should not impact the play.
 
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MontyPython said:
What Counts as a False Start?
Teams commit false start penalties in one simple way:
If an offensive player assumes a set position and then moves in any way that would simulate the start of a play.

So, regarding the play in question IIRC, a ref was literally still in our backfield, but one of the set lineman jumped anyway. Penalty.
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This seems like a generic answer, I was curious about the official rulebook answer. For instance, a lineman that is set and loses balance and falls backwards should not in your explanation be charged a false start because he did not in any way simulate the start of a play, but we all know that it's indeed a false start penalty. Can you even similute a play start BEFORE the whistle is blown to signal play can begin?
 
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turbovol said:
There was one false start called on us in the first half and I saw no movement by anybody on the replay. Maybe somebody twitched and I missed it.
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CBS (like usual) didn’t know what was going on and missed the WR on the top of the screen who left early
 
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AthensVol2007 said:
What I don’t understand is the whole line will set then the QB will back up and look to the sideline or check and the OL will stand up and reset too. Mincey’s move was definitely forward so a guess that’s the simulating of a play piece. I still don’t get how a player can be set for play though when the ball is literally not in play. If both teams are running guys on and off the field, obvious movement, and it’s allowable because the ball is not in play then other forms of movement should not impact the play.
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I don't get it either. The ref was holding the play because Fant came on the field late. He is still running towards the line of scrimmage to get set so how can it be a false start before the ready to play whistle? I've seen refs make teams replay the down because it was snapped before the ready to signal from the ref. By the letter of that rule we just read it should also be a false start.
 
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jcvols24 said:
First off, I'll admit refs didnt cost us the game with their calls and ball spots, though they were terrible at times. Several false starts I never saw the movement and obviously neither did the commentators or they would have pointed it out on replay, and multiple times an obvious 1st down turned into just short.

My question is in regards to the false start we had where the refs paused play and had yet to whistle it live yet still called a false start. Is there a rule justifying that call? Genuinely curious cause I don't know the answer, but it seems like false starts should only be enforceable once whistle blows to resume play.
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Wandered about it too.
 
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MontyPython said:
What Counts as a False Start?
Teams commit false start penalties in one simple way:
If an offensive player assumes a set position and then moves in any way that would simulate the start of a play.

So, regarding the play in question IIRC, a ref was literally still in our backfield, but one of the set lineman jumped anyway. Penalty.
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The ball has to be ready for play. It wasn't. The official was holding the play for substitutions. We could have literally ran the entire OL off the field and brought in an entirely new one up until the official steps out of the play and the ball becomes ready for play.
 
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