The Antiwar Surge, Iraq is unpopular, but embracing defeat may prove politicall

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A poll from AP

In mid-January an Associated Press-Ipsos poll found that public support for President Bush's troop surge increased to 35%, up from 26% a few weeks earlier. The same poll found that a slim majority of Americans were against the war in Iraq, but 68% said they opposed shutting off funds to fight it, and 60% said they would oppose Congress's withholding funds necessary to send additional troops.

The poll was not an anomaly. Hillary Clinton and her chief strategist, Mark Penn, himself a former pollster, know how to read public opinion surveys. Which may explain why she steadfastly refuses to "apologize" for voting to authorize the war in 2002 while also calling for Mr. Bush to end the war before he leaves office and favoring a nonbinding Senate resolution opposing an "escalation." The war may not be popular, but the public isn't ready to support losing either.

Hmmm..sound like what I said last year…the people don’t want to lose the war, they voted Democratic to get a new ‘pitch’ into the game…to win it.

And?

Sen. Barack Obama is popular on the presidential campaign trail, has written two autobiographies and is a leading critic of the war. Former senator John Edwards is also a steadfast critic of having invaded Iraq and has repeatedly apologized for his vote authorizing military force. The risk for Democrats is that the party's current antiwar slide won't stop once it reaches the edge of public support. Instead it may leave the party where Ohio State University political science professor John Mueller is taking the war debate, in opposition not just to the war in Iraq but to the global war on terror.

1972 anyone?

Then there is this:

In his new book "Overblown," Mr. Mueller argues that in response to the Sept. 11 attacks, the Bush administration exaggerated the threat and waged a global war, restricted civil liberties and endangered the U.S.'s standing in the world. "Which is the greater threat: terrorism or our reaction against it?" he asks. Come November 2008, we may have a definitive answer to where the public stands on that question.

Well what do you think? Where is the public on all this?

and in another poll

In the wake of the U.S. House of Representatives passing a resolution that amounts to a vote of no confidence in the Bush administration's policies in Iraq, a new national survey by Alexandria, VA-based Public Opinion Strategies (POS) shows the American people may have some different ideas from their elected leaders on this issue.

The survey was conducted nationwide February 5-7 among a bi-partisan, cross-section of 800 registered voters. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percent. The survey was commissioned by The Moriah Group, a Chattanooga-based strategic communications and public affairs firm.

The survey shows Americans want to win in Iraq, and that they understand Iraq is the central point in the war against terrorism and they can support a U.S. strategy aimed at achieving victory, said Neil Newhouse, a partner in POS. The idea of pulling back from Iraq is not where the majority of Americans are.


By a 53 percent - 46 percent margin, respondents surveyed said that Democrats are going too far, too fast in pressing the President to withdraw troops from Iraq.


By identical 57 percent - 41 percent margins, voters agreed with these statements: I support finishing the job in Iraq, that is, keeping the troops there until the Iraqi government can maintain control and provide security and the Iraqi war is a key part of the global war on terrorism.


Also, by a 56 percent - 43 percent margin, voters agreed that even if they have concerns about his war policies, Americans should stand behind the President in Iraq because we are at war.


While the survey shows voters believe (60 percent- 34 percent) that Iraq will never become a stable democracy, they still disagree that victory in Iraq (creating a young, but stable democracy and reducing the threat of terrorism at home) is no longer possible. Fifty-three percent say it's still possible, while 43 percent disagree.


By a wide 74 percent - 25 percent margin, voters disagree with the notion that "I don't really care what happens in Iraq after the U.S. leaves, I just want the troops brought home."

When asked which statement best describes their position on the Iraq War, voters are evenly divided (50 percent - 49 percent) between positions of "doing whatever it takes to restore order until the Iraqis can govern and provide security to their country," and positions that call for immediate withdrawal or a strict timetable.


27 percent said "the Iraq war is the front line in the battle against terrorism and our troops should stay there and do whatever it takes to restore order until the Iraqis can govern and provide security to their country."


23 percent said "while I don't agree that the U.S. should be in the war, our troops should stay there and do whatever it takes to restore order until the Iraqis can govern and provide security to their country."


32 percent said "whether Iraq is stable or not, the U.S. should set and hold to a strict timetable for withdrawing troops."


17 percent said "the U.S. should immediately withdraw its troops from Iraq."

The survey also found that voters thought it would hurt American prestige more to pull out of Iraq immediately (59 percent) than it would to stay there for the long term (35 percent).

Thoughts?
 
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Take another poll next week and get different results. You can poll shop and find any favoring a particular position and most will change from week to week depending on news coverage and real life events.
 
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Never said it wasn't. Just the mood of the day. Polls have been all over the place on this. You get a surge after a speech and then reality sets in along with news reports, dinner table conversations, etc.
 
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Take the same questions and even the same people polled and you will get different results next week. Even POS will tell you that. These are just issue polls to aid certain sides of the argument in driving Americans to believe certain ways.
 
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Nov 7th 2006 that is the latest opoll that counts if you think that was not all about this war then SIR you are badly mistaken.
 
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Take the same questions and even the same people polled and you will get different results next week. Even POS will tell you that. These are just issue polls to aid certain sides of the argument in driving Americans to believe certain ways.

I agree........:eek:k:
 
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Nov 7th 2006 that is the latest opoll that counts if you think that was not all about this war then SIR you are badly mistaken.

Ok, not quite sure where you are going with this?

Do you mean a majority of Americans want a new strategy for a continued war in Iraq?

Or do you mean a majority of Americans want to halt funding for Iraq and bring the troops home?

:eek:hmy:
 
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Considering little can be done to erase centuries of hatred and warmongering...and that is just between Iraqis....we have a uphill battle on completing the mission.
 
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Nov 7th 2006 that is the latest opoll that counts if you think that was not all about this war then SIR you are badly mistaken.

are you sure about that? there were a lot of fairly conservative democrats elected to the house, many of which, if not all, are pro military and pro war on terror.

If last November were truly a referendum on the Iraq war, the Democrat majority would have been even larger. As it is, they don't even have a veto override majority. What the American people were truly tired of was having a single party in control of both Congress and the White House. Nothing was done during the Clinton administration until after November 1994, unless you consider raising taxes on dead people an accomplishment for Bill to pin his legacy on.
 
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If last November were truly a referendum on the Iraq war, the Democrat majority would have been even larger.


Um, not really. Keep in mind thanks to Tom DeLay and many GOP state legislatures, you saw many districts drawn specifically to elect Republicans. So right there, Dems winning was an uphill battle. Look at the numbers. See how many seats the Congress flipped on with having most of the seats designed for GOP wins. Even DeLay's own personally designed district went Dem.

No matter how you look at it, the election was a referrendum. Also note Bush's response with changing strategies. Before the election, he was staying the course and was determined to continue with no thoughts of being wrong. Rummy was in and in until the end. After the election Rummy's on the street with a "Work for Food" sign and Bush had to publicly admit missteps and redesigning the plan.
 

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