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If it doesn't happen for Rick this year, it might not happen. How long do y'all think he'll keep coaching? His team last year might have been his best chance to make it.
 
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05_never_again said:
If it doesn't happen for Rick this year, it might not happen. How long do y'all think he'll keep coaching? His team last year might have been his best chance to make it.
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I don't think he gets there(I'm sure you all will be shocked to hear that)
I just don't see the top end athleticisiin which has been the problem the last few years. We shoot way too many jumpers(it works when they go in) but even good shooters have cold spells. We don't have a guard that consistently gets to and finishes at the rim, and I think its going to cost him again.
 
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05_never_again said:
If it doesn't happen for Rick this year, it might not happen. How long do y'all think he'll keep coaching? His team last year might have been his best chance to make it.
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If it doesn’t happen for Rick this year it might happen next year or the year after or whenever else because it’s a single elimination basketball tournament and quite literally anything can happen.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
I don't think he gets there(I'm sure you all will be shocked to hear that)
I just don't see the top end athleticisiin which has been the problem the last few years. We shoot way too many jumpers(it works when they go in) but even good shooters have cold spells. We don't have a guard that consistently gets to and finishes at the rim, and I think its going to cost him again.
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The tournament is also random, and maybe Rick can get some good luck/matchups. I know you'll disagree, but I think a big reason for his NCAAT bounces at Tennessee is bad luck. He ran into a Cinderella in 2018, 2021, and 2023. Even in 2019 he ran into a Purdue team who had just destroyed a good Villanova team the game before and lost to UVA (eventual national champ) in OT the game after.

Other than Michigan in 2022, it isn't like he's running into a team who beats just us and then gets put out. That far and away was our most disappointing tournament loss, and of all the losses that one gets forgotten about the most, which is kind of interesting. That Michigan team was not a great or hot team.
 
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TBrown said:
If it doesn’t happen for Rick this year it might happen next year or the year after or whenever else because it’s a single elimination basketball tournament and quite literally anything can happen.
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Yes - I made that comment more along the lines of him potentially retiring after this season or next. The tournament does have so much luck involved, but it isn't like Rick has a ton of dice rolls left.
 
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05_never_again said:
The tournament is also random, and maybe Rick can get some good luck/matchups. I know you'll disagree, but I think a big reason for his NCAAT bounces at Tennessee is bad luck. He ran into a Cinderella in 2018, 2021, and 2023. Even in 2019 he ran into a Purdue team who had just destroyed a good Villanova team the game before and lost to UVA (eventual national champ) in OT the game after.

Other than Michigan in 2022, it isn't like he's running into a team who beats just us and then gets put out. That far and away was our most disappointing tournament loss, and of all the losses that one gets forgotten about the most, which is kind of interesting. That Michigan team was not a great or hot team.
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I've never disagreed that there isn't an element of luck to it. I just think when a guys been around as long as Rick has there's more to it than that, it's not like we have a small sample size to work with. I think his teams have had fatal flaws that those teams exposed, or even in 19, I think that loss was due to a tactical error.

But my main complaint about this team, yes it's basketball every team goes through shooting drouts..... but being able to get to the line and get some free throws when you're going through those droughts is huge. I think that is the fatal flaw that has killed his last few, and possibly this team. Even if it's a big on a post, just something to quell those droughts. I think we take way too many jumpers.
 
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I say all that to say this.
I see Barnes is flirting with some big names for this next class
Get those 2
Keep what you've got
Add a upper class PG, and that's a team that I think has FF potential.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
I say all that to say this.
I see Barnes is flirting with some big names for this next class
Get those 2
Keep what you've got
Add an upper class PG, and that's a team that I think has FF potential.
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Did you think nc state had final four potential?

What about San Diego state, Miami and FAU?

Half of the final four teams the last two seasons. 3-0 v nc state and bama last year btw.
 
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TBrown said:
Did you think nc state had final four potential?

What about San Diego state, Miami and FAU?

Half of the final four teams the last two seasons. 3-0 v nc state and bama last year btw.
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I think teams that make runs have a specific pattern to the way they're built, and that's the ingredient Barnes is missing.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
I've never disagreed that there isn't an element of luck to it. I just think when a guys been around as long as Rick has there's more to it than that, it's not like we have a small sample size to work with. I think his teams have had fatal flaws that those teams exposed, or even in 19, I think that loss was due to a tactical error.

But my main complaint about this team, yes it's basketball every team goes through shooting drouts..... but being able to get to the line and get some free throws when you're going through those droughts is huge. I think that is the fatal flaw that has killed his last few, and possibly this team. Even if it's a big on a post, just something to quell those droughts. I think we take way too many jumpers.
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I mean just at Tennessee. I think he's gotten really unlucky with some tournament matchups here, and there is more than just "an element" of luck in the tournament.

Other than Michigan, he's isn't losing in the tournament to teams who stunk leading up to the tournament and then stink after they beat us. Sister Jean in 2018 (went to FF), Oregon St in 2021 (went to EE), FAU in 2023 (went to FF). That's pretty damn unlucky. His awesome win over Duke in the 2023 tournament also gets totally forgotten about, for some reason (probably just because it flies in the face of the popular narrative about him).
 
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05_never_again said:
I mean just at Tennessee. I think he's gotten really unlucky with some tournament matchups here, and there is more than just "an element" of luck in the tournament.

Other than Michigan, he's isn't losing in the tournament to teams who stunk leading up to the tournament and then stink after they beat us. Sister Jean in 2018 (went to FF), Oregon St in 2021 (went to EE), FAU in 2023 (went to FF). That's pretty damn unlucky. His awesome win over Duke in the 2023 tournament also gets totally forgotten about, for some reason (probably just because it flies in the face of the popular narrative about him).
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If they don’t have to face the most protected “star player” in NCAA history, they make the Final Four with last years team.

Barnes has had issues with the tourney but the last 2 years I have had a very hard time finding any blame on him. 21 and 22 were different stories but 23 and 24 he got the most out of his teams
 
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zjcvols said:
If they don’t have to face the most protected “star player” in NCAA history, they make the Final Four with last years team.

Barnes has had issues with the tourney but the last 2 years I have had a very hard time finding any blame on him. 21 and 22 were different stories but 23 and 24 he got the most out of his teams
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Even in 2021, that Oregon St team was weirdly on fire. The COVID season was weird to begin with and they muddled through their season, but then won the Pac 12 tournament then won 2 more NCAAT games before losing a close game to Houston, who went to the FF. At Tennessee the only team he's lost to that wasn't good or wasn't streaking was Michigan in 2022, and honestly I'm not sure how he should have coached that game differently.
 
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05_never_again said:
I mean just at Tennessee. I think he's gotten really unlucky with some tournament matchups here, and there is more than just "an element" of luck in the tournament.

Other than Michigan, he's isn't losing in the tournament to teams who stunk leading up to the tournament and then stink after they beat us. Sister Jean in 2018 (went to FF), Oregon St in 2021 (went to EE), FAU in 2023 (went to FF). That's pretty damn unlucky. His awesome win over Duke in the 2023 tournament also gets totally forgotten about, for some reason (probably just because it flies in the face of the popular narrative about him).
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That win becomes irrelevant as soon as what happened next happened.
Its like the 22 football season, rarely is anything mentioned about it without SCAR being brought up. You lose goodwill when you choke.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
That win becomes irrelevant as soon as what happened next happened.
Its like the 22 football season, rarely is anything mentioned about it without SCAR being brought up. You lose goodwill when you choke.
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Why?

Everybody on this board, including me, thought Duke was going to wax us. It was a great upset win over a blue blood program regardless of what happened after (and that FAU team went on to get within a point of going to the national title game). The first thing I remember from the 2022 season is the Alabama win.
 
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05_never_again said:
The tournament is also random, and maybe Rick can get some good luck/matchups. I know you'll disagree, but I think a big reason for his NCAAT bounces at Tennessee is bad luck. He ran into a Cinderella in 2018, 2021, and 2023. Even in 2019 he ran into a Purdue team who had just destroyed a good Villanova team the game before and lost to UVA (eventual national champ) in OT the game after.

Other than Michigan in 2022, it isn't like he's running into a team who beats just us and then gets put out. That far and away was our most disappointing tournament loss, and of all the losses that one gets forgotten about the most, which is kind of interesting. That Michigan team was not a great or hot team.
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He also got really unlucky with Kyle Alexander getting hurt during the tournament one year (can't remember the year exactly)

So much of March Madness is luck.
 
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05_never_again said:
Why?

Everybody on this board, including me, thought Duke was going to wax us. It was a great upset win over a blue blood program regardless of what happened after (and that FAU team went on to get within a point of going to the national title game). The first thing I remember from the 2022 season is the Alabama win.
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Because the season ended with a loss to an inferior team.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Because the season ended with a loss to an inferior team.
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If you choose to solely focus on that one event while just ignoring all the good stuff that happened, that sounds like a personal problem. If we have another season like 2022 in the future, we'll be hosting a first round playoff game in Neyland. I'd take it.

I still remember 2008-2021 way too vividly to let that game ruin that entire season, no matter how much of a nightmare that game was.
 
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05_never_again said:
If you choose to solely focus on that one event while just ignoring all the good stuff that happened, that sounds like a personal problem. If we have another season like 2022 in the future, we'll be hosting a first round playoff game in Neyland. I'd take it.
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If you're not making the FF then who really cares.



FWIW I hate last seasons B Ball team didn't make a FF, but in all honestly I can't hate on it too much. That team went probably as far as it ever was going to.
 
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TBrown said:
Had full intention of passing on the day but currently deciding if I want to ride the Brock bowers roller coaster
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I am actively trying to NOT bet some of these stand alones but they keep putting 3’s in front of ATD for players on the field for every play. What are we doing?!

Vele +310? 14 catches the last 3 weeks..
 
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