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GAVol said:
Exactly. 4 years in, we know what he is and it’s not really fair to expect 15+ points and big shots from him.
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Over the last 4 years he has always taken more shots than I think anyone would like or expect

I don’t think anyone is expecting him to shoot as much as he does. He is the one with the ball. He is the one shooting the ball.
 
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TBrown said:
I (kind of) understand not signing though I think it’s largely a stance taken by MLB but to argue he isn’t an MLB pitcher is ludicrous
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Still wish we would give him 4-5 starts as a lottery play. League min. and tell him to stay off socials w/no tolerance policy. I think the juice is worth the squeeze. Also understand it’s more complex than that w/him tho
 
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Wickman said:
Still wish we would give him 4-5 starts as a lottery play. League min. and tell him to stay off socials w/no tolerance policy. I think the juice is worth the squeeze. Also understand it’s more complex than that w/him tho
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I think there is a reason he still hasn't signed that we, as regular fans, don't know about (and probably never will)
 
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TBrown said:
A 4.19 ERA is a big league starter

It’s better than we’re going to get from #5
And probably #4

Which would make him our #3 ha

And he would do it for the league minimum

(Ironically Charlie Morton had a 4.19 last year for NOT the league minimum)
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A 4.19 ERA in 2025 would be a pretty generous assumption given his age and the fact that he hasn't seen big league action in 3 years.

Consider Lucas Giolito, who is much younger than Bauer. He was in the running for the CYA the last last time Bauer was in the majors. Now Giolito is bouncing around the league.
 
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AV_12 said:
Another problem is he has to shoot from outside because he’s not really a threat to finish at rim in traffic with size. They really have nobody that is a threat to get to the rim and finish
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One of my main reasons I'm anti Barnes.
In his 10 years here he's had 2 guys who were good at finishing above the rim.
Kennedy Chandler
Keon Johnson.

I was hoping Phillips would be.

Thats why I want Burries so bad, I think he is.
 
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rockytop25 said:
I think there is a reason he still hasn't signed that we, as regular fans, don't know about (and probably never will)
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The teams have done the math and come to the conclusion that his baggage outweighs his talent.

I've thought he's always been kind of overrated, personally. He's extremely online and great at drawing attention to himself. In MLB he really has only had 2.5 great years. 2018, the Covid year, and 2021 until he was suspended. He's just kind of an arm in all his other seasons.

That, combined with the fact that he's a huge a-hole, has the history with the sexual assault allegations and is now 34, I think has all the teams thinking he just isn't worth it. If he was a 7-time All-Star and consistently one of the best pitchers in the league until he was suspended, he's probably on a roster somewhere.
 
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rockytop25 said:
I think there is a reason he still hasn't signed that we, as regular fans, don't know about (and probably never will)
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mr.checkerboards said:
I don't think he was liked in any Clubhouse he's been in.
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Agreed with both statements.

Also, while the woman was clearly trying to blackmail him, he did openly admit to many of the things she accused him of (the caveat being that it was "consensual"). I don't imagine players would want to be teammates with a guy that engages in that sort sexual behavior that results in a woman having to go to the hospital.
 
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Carp said:
Agreed with both statements.

Also, while the woman was clearly trying to blackmail him, he did openly admit to many of the things she accused him of (the caveat being that it was "consensual"). I don't imagine players would want to be teammates with a guy that engages in that sort sexual behavior that results in a woman having to go to the hospital.
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I also think there's a clear reason he has never tried to sue the MLB...he knows stuff about him would get out

It's just easier for him to play the victim.
 
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Carp said:
Agreed with both statements.

Also, while the woman was clearly trying to blackmail him, he did openly admit to many of the things she accused him of (the caveat being that it was "consensual"). I don't imagine players would want to be teammates with a guy that engages in that sort sexual behavior that results in a woman having to go to the hospital.
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I'm not sure that has much to do with it. Professional athletes overall aren't really known for being arbiters of moral virtue. If anything, some might actually sympathize (or even be able to relate to) being blackmailed by someone, especially if he was better-liked by teammates.

A ton of players (and managers + front offices) have just never liked him. In general, if people don't like you, then you really better bring something good to the table to make it worth putting up with you. He doesn't bring enough. If he played more nicely in the clubhouse and/or he was one of the best pitchers in the league for a long time before he was suspended, I bet he's in the league. I know he did win a Cy in 2020 (70 innings) and was really good for the Dodgers in 2021 before he was suspended, but I don't think he was good enough for long enough to get exceptions made for him.
 
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05_never_again said:
I'm not sure that has much to do with it. Professional athletes overall aren't really known for being arbiters of moral virtue. If anything, some might actually sympathize (or even be able to relate to) being blackmailed by someone, especially if he was better-liked by teammates.

A ton of players (and managers + front offices) have just never liked him. In general, if people don't like you, then you really better bring something good to the table to make it worth putting up with you. He doesn't bring enough. If he played more nicely in the clubhouse and/or he was one of the best pitchers in the league for a long time before he was suspended, I bet he's in the league. I know he did win a Cy in 2020 and was really good for the Dodgers in 2021 before he was suspended, but I don't think he was good enough for long enough to get exceptions made for him.
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I think the vast majority of professional athletes would not be in favor of behavior that borders on (or is) sexual assault. I know athletes have a high propensity for sleeping around and otherwise treating women like garbage, but I feel like the vast majority still believe sexual assault is crossing a huge line.

If he hadn't admitted to the behavior, I might agree. Getting accused of something without evidence would draw a fair bit of sympathy.
 
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rockytop25 said:
I also think there's a clear reason he has never tried to sue the MLB...he knows stuff about him would get out

It's just easier for him to play the victim.
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He didn't sue MLB because there was absolutely no chance he'd win. MLBPA did file a grievance for him, but the arbitrator ruled that he did violate MLB's domestic violence/sexual assault policy (which doesn't require being charged or convicted of a crime) and upheld the suspension.

He did sue all sorts of media outlets, where presumably bad stuff about him could have some out through discovery, but they all were dismissed too.

He's been a d-bag for a long time, and then when you throw in baggage relating to sexual assault allegations no front office thought it would be worth it. The only thing that would help him overcome it is if he was a transcendent talent, which he isn't.
 
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05_never_again said:
He didn't sue MLB because there was absolutely no chance he'd win. MLBPA did file a grievance for him, but the arbitrator ruled that he did violate MLB's domestic violence/sexual assault policy (which doesn't require being charged or convicted of a crime) and upheld the suspension.

He did sue all sorts of media outlets, where presumably bad stuff about him could have some out through discovery, but they all were dismissed too.

He's been a d-bag for a long time, and then when you throw in baggage relating to sexual assault allegations no front office thought it would be worth it. The only thing that would help him overcome it is if he was a transcendent talent, which he isn't.
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I think he got screwed by MLB since no charges were brought but choking someone out to unconsciousness during sex is also not normal behavior. And like you mentioned, he seems unliked in every clubhouse
 
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zjcvols said:
I think he got screwed by MLB since no charges were brought but choking someone out to unconsciousness during sex is also not normal behavior. And like you mentioned, he seems unliked in every clubhouse
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Bauer is clearly a scumbag, and while I suppose MLB was within their authority to uphold that suspension, the reason they did so is because they didn't like him and he was a huge critic of how the league is run/operated. Not necessarily for the conduct. Not at all dissimilar to a school firing a poorly performing coaching due to the violation of a morals clause, but if that coach was good they wouldn't pursue that route.

Also, this can't be proven, but I bet if he was still around he'd be one of the guys most affected by the checks for sticky stuff. I think teams know that too. His spin rate numbers dropped quite a bit after they started doing the checks in 2021, then he was suspended for the allegations soon after that. Him being so supposedly concerned about pitch doctoring always smelled like projection to me.
 
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