The difference between Championship Caliber teams

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Todd Berrier and Tony Eury JR aren't the level of a Chad Knaus, Steve Letarde, Zippy, Reiser(during Kenseth years) etc. If Eury wasn't related to Sr then he would be out wiping tables right now instead of being at Phoenix. The Berrier decision is just flat out stupid. I love a risk taker but good lord every reading those guys had indicated Harvick beeing 10-12 laps short. That's just insane. From 2nd in points to whatever now I'm too disgusted to look. It's hard to overcome an average crew chief. Kevin and Dale aren't quite to the level to do that yet. This is frustrating
 
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Knaus is the man, hands down... did you hear him tellin Jimmie he had a 20 sec lead when he only had a 9 sec lead, just to get his driver to save gas?? and why didnt Mark Martin just go for it? hes not racing the full schedule so hes not racing for points... I wouldve went for the win
 
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I just want to say this. I still hate JJ and the other Hendrick crap even though JR is there. But Chad Knaus is hands down the greatest Crew Chief in Nascar history. I applaud his guts. He could win a damn Championship with any driver and almost any car in the field. I am just blown away by this guy. Its hard to swallow pride but man that guy is a bad man.
 
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Knaus is the man, hands down... did you hear him tellin Jimmie he had a 20 sec lead when he only had a 9 sec lead, just to get his driver to save gas?? and why didnt Mark Martin just go for it? hes not racing the full schedule so hes not racing for points... I wouldve went for the win

It is normally the Crew Chiefs call, and I have to assume he didn't think they had any chance of making it. The team is concerned over Owner points re the top 35.
I share your opinion if they thought they were in one lap of making it.
 
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It is normally the Crew Chiefs call, and I have to assume he didn't think they had any chance of making it. The team is concerned over Owner points re the top 35.
I share your opinion if they thought they were in one lap of making it.

exactly, while Mark Martin may not drive a full time schedule in that ride, the car itself is fulltime and DEI needs all the help they can get.
 
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Mark Martin is the ultimate team player. his absolute unselfishness has probably cost himself wins and maybe even championships. look no further than to last night for any evidence you may need.
 
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Mark Martin is the ultimate team player. his absolute unselfishness has probably cost himself wins and maybe even championships. look no further than to last night for any evidence you may need.

No doubt in my mind about both races and championship. I would also add his clean driving style has cost him wins where other drivers would have taken a guy out. Mark doesn't wreck someone to win.
 
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yeah mark is a great guy and all but he definitely wrecked Edwards and Kesolowski to win the las vegas nationwide race this year.... maybe not on purpose, but it has happened :p


BTW the #8 car is 14th in owner points, no where near 35th... only 10 cars finished on the lead lap so he wasnt in danger of a terrible finish, plus he had 5 bonus points for leading a lap.. Im going for the win in that situation
 
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Exerpt from NASCAR.com

The view from the pit box: "At the time we had two conflicting stories on fuel mileage, and I'm in the middle," Gibson said. "My engineer is telling me this; my fuel man is telling me this. I thought, if I fill up, I'm going to finish in the top five. I went with the sure bet. If I'd ran out, I would have finished 20th. So I just took the sure bet. The company got two cars in the top 10, we led a lot of laps, so it's a plus for us. It's sad, but the bright side is, DEI is strong and we're getting better."

But in the immediate, emotional aftermath of Saturday's race, those plusses were difficult to find. "I believe we should have stayed out to try to win the race. I saved so much fricking gas, you don't know," Martin said over the radio after taking the checkered flag. But then, he softened. "I probably would have run out with two to go, so I'm sorry. But I want to win, you guys. Thanks for giving me such a great car."

Was Martin angry? "I threw my little fit," he said afterward. "We're all upset. We all were upset. I'm over it. I'm just proud of this team. They gave me the goods to do it with, and we let it slip through out fingers."

Should he have come in? "I thought I saved plenty," he said. "I really thought I saved plenty. But I don't know how much short. They first told me I was one lap short. I saved probably five laps' worth. And then they told me the 29 [car of Kevin Harvick, also powered by an Earnhardt-Childress engine] ran out with eight laps to go. So I don't know. I can't tell you. It's over with. I did my part to the best of my ability, they did their part to the best of their ability. I back them up when they have a bad day, and they back me up when I drive it into the wall."

Long after the race was over, while Martin's No. 8 car was being pushed through the inspection shed, Gibson still wrestled with the decision. "You don't know," he said. "The 29 saved, and he ran out. How slow do you run? If everybody makes it, and you slow down and you still lose, it, you're mad because you didn't [stop]. We didn't do a very good job tonight, figuring that, and we've got to get better at it. We failed him. Good driver, good car, and we just didn't do the strategy right."

And Martin, a driver forced to deal with more than his share of on-track heartbreak, was left to rue another one that got away. "We were really spectacular this weekend," he said. "It's a shame we finished fifth."
 
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I'm just hoping it's a matter of time that Jeff and Jimmie do 3-4 races in a row where they are in the top 5.
I think Jeff Burton will falter and someone that's in the top 6 will make a run to the top by mid season.
 
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I'm just hoping it's a matter of time that Jeff and Jimmie do 3-4 races in a row where they are in the top 5.
I think Jeff Burton will falter and someone that's in the top 6 will make a run to the top by mid season.

Jimmie Johnson should be strong to the Chase, and I think Burton will stay in contention too. J. Gordon on the other hand is an enigma this year. One week, Daytona & martinsville, he is the class of the field, then like at Atlanta & Texas he is the goat.
 
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That would be my kind of luck!:lolabove: For your sake I hope he doesn't, but all the HMS teams will be strong is my guess.
 
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same here
JJ won the last Daytona 500 I went to and JG won the last Pepsi 400 Daytona race I went to.
Gordon did his victory burnout on the wall right in front of us.
 
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same here
JJ won the last Daytona 500 I went to and JG won the last Pepsi 400 Daytona race I went to.
Gordon did his victory burnout on the wall right in front of us.

I hope you weren't one of the can throwers, I would guess not.
 
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No there wasn't any of that (that I saw anyway)
A bunch of people in my row giving him the finger though.
Didn't that happen at Talladega?

I was thinking it happened at both, although Talladega was much worse. No excuse for it, of course it is in Bama.
Maybe the fingers were saying you're #1.
 
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Speaking of the middle fingers, booing and such of Jeff Gordon....it's tough sometimes being a Gordon fan. I was at the Coca-Cola 600 last year and when Gordon hit the wall some Dale Jarrett fan bubba was behind me raising all kinds of hell. It started about the time the green flag dropped and sure enough, every time Gordon or Johnson came past our section (in front of pit road entry) the guy would stand up, flip them the bird and yell either "queer" or "***". It was like clock work with this guy, he was too drunk to stand up straight yet he had the know-how to do all this every time they went by. I really think the guy was getting exhausted from doing this but it didn't stop him and he just went nuts like he won a new car or something when Gordon hit the wall. He was yelling stuff like " I hope he's dead" which is uncalled for by anyone but the guy was rough looking. He had some old blue jean shorts and he looked like he hadn't showered in a week yet he had a brand new Dale Jarrett shirt with the sleeves already removed and a #44 UPS hat. If I ever believed in karma it was that day because a few laps after Gordon hits the wall Dale Jarrett comes right in front of us and just blows his engine. There was smoke rolling out of that car and I have to admit I gave the guy hell and thought he was ready to fight. I was lucky enough to have a row of Gordon fans right behind me so we were well represented in that area. They were all over this guy too. The biggest disappointment from that race was when Casey Mears won his first race, which was awesome, he got booed for being a Hendrick driver. He deserved better than that for his first win.
 
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Speaking of the middle fingers, booing and such of Jeff Gordon....it's tough sometimes being a Gordon fan. I was at the Coca-Cola 600 last year and when Gordon hit the wall some Dale Jarrett fan bubba was behind me raising all kinds of hell. It started about the time the green flag dropped and sure enough, every time Gordon or Johnson came past our section (in front of pit road entry) the guy would stand up, flip them the bird and yell either "queer" or "***". It was like clock work with this guy, he was too drunk to stand up straight yet he had the know-how to do all this every time they went by. I really think the guy was getting exhausted from doing this but it didn't stop him and he just went nuts like he won a new car or something when Gordon hit the wall. He was yelling stuff like " I hope he's dead" which is uncalled for by anyone but the guy was rough looking. He had some old blue jean shorts and he looked like he hadn't showered in a week yet he had a brand new Dale Jarrett shirt with the sleeves already removed and a #44 UPS hat. If I ever believed in karma it was that day because a few laps after Gordon hits the wall Dale Jarrett comes right in front of us and just blows his engine. There was smoke rolling out of that car and I have to admit I gave the guy hell and thought he was ready to fight. I was lucky enough to have a row of Gordon fans right behind me so we were well represented in that area. They were all over this guy too. The biggest disappointment from that race was when Casey Mears won his first race, which was awesome, he got booed for being a Hendrick driver. He deserved better than that for his first win.

It is idoitcy like this that is keeping me from the tracks. I don't care if he was drunk, and I absolutely hate it when Gordon wins, but to hope a driver is dead is just sick. I would be tempted to tell him I just checked with DJ, and he has asked you to please not wear his colors. You are giving him a bad name.
 
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It is idoitcy like this that is keeping me from the tracks. I don't care if he was drunk, and I absolutely hate it when Gordon wins, but to hope a driver is dead is just sick. I would be tempted to tell him I just checked with DJ, and he has asked you to please not wear his colors. You are giving him a bad name.

I know what you're saying. It was my wife's first race and she didn't feel comfortable with that guy at all. I was rather mild with him because I didn't want to upset her either. The guy was such a great fan that he left with about 50 laps left. I can't imagine paying ticket prices for a NASCAR race and leaving early. I am going back this year to the Coca-Cola 600. I am one of those weird fans that likes the team more than the driver so I will be happy with any Hendrick driver winning (or Kyle Petty :)) I hope Jr. gets his first win of the season that night. That would be cool to witness the crowd reaction of a Dale Jr. win.
 
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I know what you're saying. It was my wife's first race and she didn't feel comfortable with that guy at all. I was rather mild with him because I didn't want to upset her either. The guy was such a great fan that he left with about 50 laps left. I can't imagine paying ticket prices for a NASCAR race and leaving early. I am going back this year to the Coca-Cola 600. I am one of those weird fans that likes the team more than the driver so I will be happy with any Hendrick driver winning (or Kyle Petty :)) I hope Jr. gets his first win of the season that night. That would be cool to witness the crowd reaction of a Dale Jr. win.

I used to be that way with Morgan- McClure #4 car, I pulled for the car no matter who drove it. I'm not one to pull for Junior much, but to see his next win in person will be something else. As far as Kyle Petty, you need therapy :)
 
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I used to be that way with Morgan- McClure #4 car, I pulled for the car no matter who drove it. I'm not one to pull for Junior much, but to see his next win in person will be something else. As far as Kyle Petty, you need therapy :)

Imagine how cool that would be (although it would never happen) to see Kyle Petty win a race. :rock:
 

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