The Dooley beat Jones argument

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EaglesVols91

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I'm tired of people saying this. One of my idiot friends just brought it up. Who would win bringing a big east team into neyland battling a healthy darick, hunter and bray? That's like saying Jones would have beat Dooley if it was Cincy vs la tech. Some people need to understand logic.
 
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Tell your idiot friends that Cinci beat Vandy last year, Vandy beat UT, and UT beat Cinci, so it proves we all sucked. The difference is Vandy sucks and thinks they don't, the Vols suck but have the tradition and resources to pull out of this tailspin, and Cinci had an excuse, because they play in a weak conference.
 
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We had an elite passing game for that one game last season along with an intelligent DC that new how to call a decent defensive scheme/gameplan...it is that simple.
 
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hmm. look at all our athletes compared to their athletes..UTK recruiting with no coach >CINCY with the God of all recruiting

our athletes could beat them no matter what happened
 
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I'm sure you could just pull up all the coaches Saban and Miles lost to prior to their arrivals in the SEC.
 
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Well dont get me wrong peeps...but im siked about havin jones here for our coach. ill prolly get flamed for this, but... this is imho and jmo...if jones can't win at least 5 or 6 games then how can we say he is better than dooley? I mean, I want to see jones win at least 7-8 to get vindication for his hiring with at least 1 out of those 8 wins over a good sec team or someone else good like oregon. Also, at least for me... winning the ky and vandy games are a given. if he loses either the ky or vandy game then its unforgivable! im serious too man...for me he HAS to win both the ky and vandy games AT LEAST. am I askin for too much?
 
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Volt said:
Tell your idiot friends that Cinci beat Vandy last year, Vandy beat UT, and UT beat Cinci, so it proves we all sucked. The difference is Vandy sucks and thinks they don't, the Vols suck but have the tradition and resources to pull out of this tailspin, and Cinci had an excuse, because they play in a weak conference.
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Actually, during that season, we beat both UC and Vandy, which makes it even more sad that we didn't make a bowl game from losing to kensucky.
 
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It seems other coaches didn't have trouble beating Dooley with less talent. It wasn't just a win either, it was a beat down. With a team full of underclassmen. Clearly we had better talent. Every team in the Big East is awful, and we most definitely should have won that game, but it is a valid point.

Everyone hopes Jones is the answer we're looking for, but that doesn't make him not a coin toss. Don't confuse skepticism with lack of support.
 
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EaglesVols91 said:
I'm tired of people saying this. One of my idiot friends just brought it up. Who would win bringing a big east team into neyland battling a healthy darick, hunter and bray? That's like saying Jones would have beat Dooley if it was Cincy vs la tech. Some people need to understand logic.
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Why bring this up? The score speaks for itself. Remember we don't allow moral victories. You don't have a leg to stand on, so just let it go.
 
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I was one of the first ones to mention this argument, even before Jones emerged as a legit candidate. It's a bad argument, and I was in error for using it.
Reason: The Cinci game was the high point for UT that season. It is arguably the best win of the Dooley era. On the other hand the UT game was a low point for Cinci. After that game the two teams took remarkably different paths. Cinci went on to win their conference. UT fell apart.
 
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Also, if you go back and check, Cincy had a lot of players out with injuries in that game. Their DL was so decimated, they played a couple of back up offensive linemen on the DL.

At any rate, Cincy got better as the year went on and the Vols got worse.
 
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FWIW, the players determine whether you win 5 games or 6 games or 7 games. There are enough easy games on UT's schedule that a roster that is filled with top 20 Rivals rated talent should win more than 6 games in a season. The attitudes of the players were not of winners. Which is not a true Vol attitude at all. We are "against all odds" type people. We may lose, but not without an epic fight.

That's why I could not stand Dools as a HC. Losing was acceptable as long as it was part of the "process." Please understand Vol fans - losing is NEVER acceptable. The first time it means little to you to lose is the start of your downfall. You have to HATE to lose to be able to win at a high level. Don't apologize for people in leadership positions of young men that don't get that. That attitude transfers to the players and you get crap and bad life lessons as a result.

Jones is on the clock. Maybe all these 3* he is recruiting will at least bring a true Vol attitude to the program. That would be a good start and my Christmas wish for the Vol nation.
 
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Jones let the game get away from him by going for it on fourth down multiple times. I worry bout his offense being able to get the tough yard when we have to have it.
 
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The onside kick and two failed 4th down conversions sealed the game for Cincy. Plus, Bray, Hunter, and Rogers were on fire that day.
 
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This needs to stop! We are on a new path a winners path. You either win or you lose. No more excuses, no more moral victories, rationalization etc. LSU, UNC, UK, UF UGA, USCe, MSU, Mozzou, all should have been wins, yada, yada, guess what? They were loses!
New coach, new day, new attitude.
 
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Nothing to argue......tis what it tis....but we got the best coaching staff in America! Taint what it Taint
 
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It was the best one game scenario Dooley ever had.

He still had Wilcox and a healthy DaRick, Hunter and Bray. We would have beaten 90% of teams from non power conferences with that scenario.
 
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allvol123 said:
It was the best one game scenario Dooley ever had.

He still had Wilcox and a healthy DaRick, Hunter and Bray. We would have beaten 90% of teams from non power conferences with that scenario.
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I don't know about 90%.. Dooley's lack of adjusting to anything, bad game management was enough to keep anyone in it.. It was a safe bet the second half would be a disaster under Dooley...
 
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TennesseeStudVOL said:
Well dont get me wrong peeps...but im siked about havin jones here for our coach. ill prolly get flamed for this, but... this is imho and jmo...if jones can't win at least 5 or 6 games then how can we say he is better than dooley? I mean, I want to see jones win at least 7-8 to get vindication for his hiring with at least 1 out of those 8 wins over a good sec team or someone else good like oregon. Also, at least for me... winning the ky and vandy games are a given. if he loses either the ky or vandy game then its unforgivable! im serious too man...for me he HAS to win both the ky and vandy games AT LEAST. am I askin for too much?
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Well what if that doesn't happen? Are you going to start calling for his head? Don't know if I would set up this kind of win now or else scenario. With the fianacial condition of the AD right now, Jones is our man for several years win or lose....

Unless you want to tell Hart you are in for the buyout.
 
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Cartervol said:
I don't know about 90%.. Dooley's lack of adjusting to anything, bad game management was enough to keep anyone in it.. It was a safe bet the second half would be a disaster under Dooley...
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I disagree. That Cincy team was a good team as far as non power conference teams go. Wilcox maintained a decent defense and our offense with those three healthy would have put up good numbers. that team could have handled most any team from a non power conference.
 
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