The Evolution of the Athlete, Human v. Equine

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OK, with the Triple Crown portion of the horse season coming to a close, Barry Bonds tracking down Hank, and Justin Gatlin trying to play football, it occurred to me that there is a disconnect between the development over time of the quality of athletes being produced by both species.

It is apparently the case that human athletes are evolving over time, becoming bigger, faster, stronger, jumping higher, and hitting baseballs and riding bicycles farther and faster. The best measurement for comparison I could think of in measuring this progress is in track and field. Consider that the world record for the 100m has been reached 4 times (including Justin Gatlin's pending result) at 9.77 with each time recorded in 2005 or later. The records for every distance shorter than 10,00m have been set since 1996, and no track and field record is older than 1991 except the 25 and 30k, which were both set in '81 (I looked only at outdoor individual records, but the indoor and relays show a similar bias towards the modern.)

Since world-class athletes have been competing in these events for a very long period of time, it seems to me that the logical conclusion is that human athlets are evolving, becoming better at what they do over generations.

This phenomenon does not seem to have occurred with horses, however. In order to try to get a baseline, I looked at the fastest times run at each of the Triple Crown races to see whether times seemed to get faster through the years, and they are not. The track record for the Kentucky Derby was set in 1973 by Secretariat at 1.59.4. The only other sub-2 minute time in the history of the race was recorded by Monarchos in 2001, third on the list was Northern Dancer at 2 flat in 1964, and 9 of the top 15 times were recorded pre-1980. For the Belmont, Secretariat also set the pace at 2:24, and the only horse with a time in the top 7 from the 00's was Point Given in '01. Louis Quartorze set the record at the Preakness in '96 and is the most modern horse in the top 6 in that race.

Why are people getting faster, but horses aren't? Humans have more modern, improved training methods, but so do our four legged friends; humans benefit from modern medicine--whether sanctioned or outside of the rules of sport--but so do horses. And horses have the added benefit of selective breeding, which in my mind should result in horses evolving as athletes faster than humans, not the other way around.

Have I missed in my analysis somewhere, or does anyone have any theories?
 
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OK, I know it is a slow offseason, but NOBODY wants to get into a discussion as to why the 100m sprint record falls every other year but the track record for the derby has held for 3.5 decades?
 
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Why are people getting faster, but horses aren't? Humans have more modern, improved training methods, but so do our four legged friends; humans benefit from modern medicine--whether sanctioned or outside of the rules of sport--but so do horses. And horses have the added benefit of selective breeding, which in my mind should result in horses evolving as athletes faster than humans, not the other way around.

Have I missed in my analysis somewhere, or does anyone have any theories?

I think it just boils down to the specialization of (human) athletes. I don't know much about horse racing, but I can reasonably guess that they too specialize in different distances, but I don't know if they are consciencelessly able to know this. I mean, do race horses know they are race horses? Can they truely run a race with strategy and train perfectly, like human athletes can? I doubt it.

I do think selective breeding is certainly a factor, for both species, but the greatest hoops player ever had a father who was 5'10", so its not at all overwhelming.
 
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I too agree that the horses don't actually know how fast they have to run to beat that mark, while humans do. The constant evolution of humans vs. other animals is another suspect of mine.
 
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I'm not sure I understand. Humans keep breaking records because they know what the records are, but since horses don't know, they don't evolve?

Even if the beasties don't have total awareness of the situation, if we keep breeding the fastest horses to the fastest horses, should we be getting faster horses?
 
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I'm not sure I understand. Humans keep breaking records because they know what the records are, but since horses don't know, they don't evolve?

Even if the beasties don't have total awareness of the situation, if we keep breeding the fastest horses to the fastest horses, should we be getting faster horses?

Recessive genes are the main reason why horses (and people) that are bread by the best don't always become the best. But because humans know the limits that need to be broken, we can mentally train better than horses. If that makes any sense at all?
 
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This is an really interesting question, actually. I think it just comes down to focused, specialized training. Evolution through natural (or artificial) selection is a long, multi-generational process, so I think that in the time frame we're talking about you can throw genetics out. Racehorses have long been reared and trained single-mindedly for one purpose, but it hasn't been that long since even Olympic athletes were part-timers. I'm going to guess that training procedures have simply progressed much faster for humans than they have for horses. (And probably not a small reason for that is, as The Dude points out, humans know what they're training for and can push themselves. Horses are just out there looking to run and eat and mate.)
 
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You could also look at it as they just peaked at different times in their evolution. I am not sure that you will continue to see humans break records like they have been. Each activity will max out and it is conceivable many are right now. It is hard to imgagine things like the 100 meters continuing to be lowered. Or at least lowered at this type of rate.
 
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I think this is the question Jimmy the Greek was trying to answer.

Uh...I think that question was a bit different. I think I'll restrict my question to inter-species comparisons and leave the discussion of race to braver souls.

This is an really interesting question, actually. I think it just comes down to focused, specialized training. Evolution through natural (or artificial) selection is a long, multi-generational process, so I think that in the time frame we're talking about you can throw genetics out. Racehorses have long been reared and trained single-mindedly for one purpose, but it hasn't been that long since even Olympic athletes were part-timers. I'm going to guess that training procedures have simply progressed much faster for humans than they have for horses. (And probably not a small reason for that is, as The Dude points out, humans know what they're training for and can push themselves. Horses are just out there looking to run and eat and mate.)

I'm still not sure I buy into the whole motivational argument, but you do raise an interesting point. Did horses "max out" some time ago because they have been bred for several hundred generations to run fast, where people have only begun to specialize? Keep in mind that a horse generation is probably separated by about 5 years, a human generation by 5 times as long. Does evolution max out?
 

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