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Fighting Possum

Fighting Possum

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Is time of posession. Setting aside arguments about coaching and the switch to the 3-4, this stat has killed us for the last three years. I know our tackling, technique, and alignments on defense are awful, but they might be better if the D wasn't gassed all the time. Part of the problem is our Offensive philosophy which is a quick strike mentality. When our offense doesn't execute we are 3 and out. When our offense executes well, we score in 3 plays. Today we executed well and the defense was on the field 37 and a half minutes to 22 and half time of possession for our offense. The offense was pretty damn good but it's a team game and our D has to play a lot.
 
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The defense had plenty of opportunities to get themselves off of the field. How many 3nForevers did they give up today?
 
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UT scored 55 points in only 22 minutes. That's almost as absurd as giving up 721 yards to a Sun Belt team. UT is a better team when they are mixing the run with the pass, but the pass was wide open all day.

UT was close to blowing this game open in the 2nd and making Troy play catch up all day when they were up 28-10 and got a questionable personal foul on Gray for hitting a guy out of bounds. Troy would've had a 3rd and 8 instead of a 1st down. I know UT had a miserable time trying to stop 3rd and anything all day, but at that time they had already stopped Troy twice.
 
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It's the offense's job to score points, it's the defense's job to get their own azzes off the field.
 
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Fighting Possum said:
Is time of posession. Setting aside arguments about coaching and the switch to the 3-4, this stat has killed us for the last three years. I know our tackling, technique, and alignments on defense are awful, but they might be better if the D wasn't gassed all the time. Part of the problem is our Offensive philosophy which is a quick strike mentality. When our offense doesn't execute we are 3 and out. When our offense executes well, we score in 3 plays. Today we executed well and the defense was on the field 37 and a half minutes to 22 and half time of possession for our offense. The offense was pretty damn good but it's a team game and our D has to play a lot.
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So how do we go about fixing that?
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
The defense had plenty of opportunities to get themselves off of the field. How many 3nForevers did they give up today?
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When you can't stop 3rd and 19 then your are going to be on the field longer than your opponents. Offense scoring will jazz up the defense. OP has poor argument.
 
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General Jack said:
So how do we go about fixing that?
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You have to grind sometimes and understand that the cummulative effect will benifit you in the long run. It's like a fighter going to the body. The Alabama and LSU defenses are good because they are talented but they are great because their offenses control the ball.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
UT's D actually stopped Troy on 4 out of the last 5 possessions. I couldn't believe that when I heard it.
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They did better stopping 3n3s but 3n4 or longer were almost automatic. The 4n1 stand was the saving defensive play of the game.
 
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General Jack said:
So how do we go about fixing that?
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That's the million dollar question ain't it. Scheme wise I think they tried alittle of everything, and that is the problem imo. They screw up so much it's in there heads, try keeping it simple till they don't have to think about it. My dad always told us to keep it simple stupid. You now see ball go get ball stuff hell it can't get no worse, can it
 
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lincolncovol said:
That's the million dollar question ain't it. Scheme wise I think they tried alittle of everything, and that is the problem imo. They screw up so much it's in there heads, try keeping it simple till they don't have to think about it. My dad always told us to keep it simple stupid. You now see ball go get ball stuff hell it can't get no worse, can it
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That's the KISS System.
K eep
I t
S imple
S tupid
 
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General Jack said:
So how do we go about fixing that?
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Hey take a lesson from Troy. Didn't you hear the announcers talking about them running an octagon training program? If the D is getting gassed, time to 1) develop depth among all the guys sitting on the bench to keep the starters fresh and 2) go outside the box on strength and conditioning.
 
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Which in short relates to depth, lbs get gassed replace them! Did DD say someone got an IV during ht?
 
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Fighting Possum said:
Is time of posession. Setting aside arguments about coaching and the switch to the 3-4, this stat has killed us for the last three years. I know our tackling, technique, and alignments on defense are awful, but they might be better if the D wasn't gassed all the time. Part of the problem is our Offensive philosophy which is a quick strike mentality. When our offense doesn't execute we are 3 and out. When our offense executes well, we score in 3 plays. Today we executed well and the defense was on the field 37 and a half minutes to 22 and half time of possession for our offense. The offense was pretty damn good but it's a team game and our D has to play a lot.
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I said this on 9/8 after the NCSt game. I'll say it again (on the 2nd thread of the day). In early Sept, I was concerned about the hurry-up O. A response was "It's only a proglem if you can't score." Clearly this is not true. We are adjusting to new schemes on D, & we are suboptimal, really bad at times. So, should we be running a hurry-up O that puts our D on the field for 38 min vs. our 22 min on O???

My post from 9/8:

[I'll tell ya what I find slightly concerning, this no-huddle O.

I think it's great to have & to do & to be able to do well, but to use it as the main means of offense is concerning, as their will be some grind it out game, & we'll need to control the ball & the clock. Dunno bout vs NCSt (I'd have to look it up), but our longest drive this game was less than 5:30. Does this bother anyone?

Don't take this to mean I don't like scoring, the ability to score quick, or potent quick strike offensive ability, but I wonder if using a no-huddle as your base O will be problematic down the road, vs switching up huddle & no-huddle based on game situation. Thoughts?]

Thoughts now? I think our D would be better if we used our improve running game to lengthen drives so we don't have a porous D on the field for 2/3rds of the game.
 
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I agree ^^^^

West Coast football is what you described. USCw vs Oregon proves it, high scoring quick attack, defense sucks on both sides , and they don't play in the sec !! Brilliant post ^^
 
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Besides our D players getting tired when we score so fast our DC and D coaches have very little time to coach up the players on mistakes they're making and less time to make adjustments they want to talk about in more detail.

Learning everything about the 3-4 takes 2 years and coaching, teaching and making adjustments on the sidelines is an important part of the players learning process and I think 1 of our scoring drives took 37 seconds off the clock and that hardly gives our D players time to get a quick drink must less rest or get tips from coaches.

There's always 2 sides to every coin and situation but I'll have to agree that when we're running the ball well we might be better off to keep doing that and give our D more time to rest and make their adjustments.

It's just my opinion but I think Bray hates running the ball and the more we run the more pissed off he gets and the less disciplined he gets so that may be a big factor in how we run our O.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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Fighting Possum said:
Is time of posession. Setting aside arguments about coaching and the switch to the 3-4, this stat has killed us for the last three years. I know our tackling, technique, and alignments on defense are awful, but they might be better if the D wasn't gassed all the time. Part of the problem is our Offensive philosophy which is a quick strike mentality. When our offense doesn't execute we are 3 and out. When our offense executes well, we score in 3 plays. Today we executed well and the defense was on the field 37 and a half minutes to 22 and half time of possession for our offense. The offense was pretty damn good but it's a team game and our D has to play a lot.
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This defense gave up so many 3rd and forevers last night its pathetic = Weak argument on your part

Should have known it was the offenses fault that they put up 55 points.

If the defense was only giving up 14 points and the offense was only averaging 17 points, could the offense blame the defense?
 
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Fighting Possum said:
Is time of posession. Setting aside arguments about coaching and the switch to the 3-4, this stat has killed us for the last three years. I know our tackling, technique, and alignments on defense are awful, but they might be better if the D wasn't gassed all the time. Part of the problem is our Offensive philosophy which is a quick strike mentality. When our offense doesn't execute we are 3 and out. When our offense executes well, we score in 3 plays. Today we executed well and the defense was on the field 37 and a half minutes to 22 and half time of possession for our offense. The offense was pretty damn good but it's a team game and our D has to play a lot.
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Not the total problem of course but a good point. The D does not help itself early by not getting off the field. Troy ran 99 plays - 99. But the holes in this D show up early and often.
 
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I don't think I have ever heard of a complaint about the offense scoring points.
 
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when you can't stop a draw play over and over again then there are more problems than the D being gassed. They ran 4 draws for about 120 yards. that is not SEC football, and Dooley is not an SEC HC.
 
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If the defense cannot get off the field it is the defenses problem. Don't blame the offense, just be glad we can score points. If the defense is "gassed" then it is a coaching problem for not substituting players properly. There's absolutely no one on the defense that is good enough that someone else on the sidelines cannot come in and replace them for a series or a couple of plays.
 
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Fighting Possum said:
Is time of posession. Setting aside arguments about coaching and the switch to the 3-4, this stat has killed us for the last three years. I know our tackling, technique, and alignments on defense are awful, but they might be better if the D wasn't gassed all the time. Part of the problem is our Offensive philosophy which is a quick strike mentality. When our offense doesn't execute we are 3 and out. When our offense executes well, we score in 3 plays. Today we executed well and the defense was on the field 37 and a half minutes to 22 and half time of possession for our offense. The offense was pretty damn good but it's a team game and our D has to play a lot.
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Excellent point. Look to the NFL and how the Colts operated for years. They couldn't close the deal until they learned to control the ball and rest the defense. Now we are not even close to be a top caliber team that can compete week in and week out. But I do agree with your post.
 
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