The heart (myocarditis) should not be the reason for not playing football!

[LAVol1]

Dr. Michael Ackerman M.D., Ph.D., a genetic cardiologist at the Mayo Clinic, considered by many to be the foremost sports cardiologist in the world, and one of the medical professionals consulted in the Big 12 decision to play, said the heart (myocarditis) should not be the tipping point in sports decisions. The study that was being cited by the Big 10 and Pac 12 was a study with covid patients that had a median age of 49. Dr. Ackerman is adamant that the findings are NOT applicable to 20-24 year old athletes. Dr. Ackerman has over 3000 patients, 700 of which are athletes with a heart condition that have a non zero risk of sudden cardiac death every day. "Athletes are probably the safest of the student body." I encourage you to view Dr. Ackerman's interview with Jim Cramer.

https://www.thestreet.com/video/myocarditis-coronavirus-cardiologist-impact-college-sports?puc=_htmlbooyah_pla4&cm_ven=EMAIL_htmlbooyah&tstmem=53024297&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=BOOYAH&utm_term=Top+Mayo+Clinic+Cardiologist:+Heart+Is+Not+Center+of+Coronavirus+Universe

 

[Special Ed]

Heart damage is a good reason to avoid the virus.

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

Heart damage is a good reason to avoid the virus.

Really? I think you should try HEART DAMAGE while supplies last! The offer ends on November 4th!

 

[MontyPython]

USA Today article pretty much nails this debate:

Dr. Chris Hostler, an infectious disease specialist at Duke, was one of eight medical experts who spoke to USA TODAY Sports about advising the conferences. The fundamental question: How are doctors reviewing the same COVID-19 data and research, and yet coming to different conclusions?

“The old saying for infectious disease doctors is, you can have 10 different infectious disease doctors looking at the same patient and reach 13 different conclusions,’’ said Hostler, co-owner of Infection Control Education for Major Sports, LLC.. “There’s a lot of nuance to what’s going on.’’

'See what they want to see'
Confirmation bias could be at work, said Dr. Jonathan Drezner, Director of University of Washington Medicine Center for Sports Cardiology. COVID-19 has been linked to myocarditis – inflammation of the heart that is potentially fatal to athletes at exertion – and Drezner said there are "well over a dozen cases" of myocarditis in college athletes from the Power Five conferences

“Confirmation bias is a tendency to interpret new evidence as confirmation of one’s existing beliefs,’’ Drezner told USA TODAY Sports via email. “So in this case, if you tend to believe that COVID myocarditis is a big concern, you may err on the side of interpreting limited data as a reason to be cautious.

“On the contrary, if you don’t believe that the risk of COVID myocarditis is high or proven, then you are less likely to interpret limited evidence as a risk. Bottom line, people see what they want to see."

“There’s a lot of unknowns, and because of that, you’re going to have a lot of physicians, smart people, with different opinions,’’ said Kloner, chief science officer of Huntington Medical Research Institute in Pasadena, California. “I think we have to respect everyone’s opinion.

“But we’re still very much on a learning curve with this, and I would tend to the err on the side of safety. I don’t want to see dead football players.’’

 

[norrislakevol]

Some strands of the flu such as H1N1 carried a higher risk of myocarditis than COVID. We didn't stop playing football then. You can get myocarditis from any virus (even the common cold), bacterial infection, parasite infection, or even drug abuse.

The BIG 10 and PAC 12 have only made themselves look bad here.

 

[vegasvolfan]

Heart damage is a good reason to avoid the virus.

 

[Volsfaninva917]

But Dr. Fauci

 

[Volsfaninva917]

USA Today article pretty much nails this debate:

Dr. Chris Hostler, an infectious disease specialist at Duke, was one of eight medical experts who spoke to USA TODAY Sports about advising the conferences. The fundamental question: How are doctors reviewing the same COVID-19 data and research, and yet coming to different conclusions?

“The old saying for infectious disease doctors is, you can have 10 different infectious disease doctors looking at the same patient and reach 13 different conclusions,’’ said Hostler, co-owner of Infection Control Education for Major Sports, LLC.. “There’s a lot of nuance to what’s going on.’’

'See what they want to see'
Confirmation bias could be at work, said Dr. Jonathan Drezner, Director of University of Washington Medicine Center for Sports Cardiology. COVID-19 has been linked to myocarditis – inflammation of the heart that is potentially fatal to athletes at exertion – and Drezner said there are "well over a dozen cases" of myocarditis in college athletes from the Power Five conferences

“Confirmation bias is a tendency to interpret new evidence as confirmation of one’s existing beliefs,’’ Drezner told USA TODAY Sports via email. “So in this case, if you tend to believe that COVID myocarditis is a big concern, you may err on the side of interpreting limited data as a reason to be cautious.

“On the contrary, if you don’t believe that the risk of COVID myocarditis is high or proven, then you are less likely to interpret limited evidence as a risk. Bottom line, people see what they want to see."

“There’s a lot of unknowns, and because of that, you’re going to have a lot of physicians, smart people, with different opinions,’’ said Kloner, chief science officer of Huntington Medical Research Institute in Pasadena, California. “I think we have to respect everyone’s opinion.

“But we’re still very much on a learning curve with this, and I would tend to the err on the side of safety. I don’t want to see dead football players.’’

Are you going to turn on the TV to watch players die this fall Monty? How many died in high school football games to date so far?

 

[MontyPython]

Are you going to turn on the TV to watch players die this fall Monty? How many died in high school football games to date so far?

Look, I live for football. Not sure what I'd do with none this Fall. So, yes, of course I'd watch it.

But, what we all want and what is best for the kids may not be the same. Let the docs decide, not politics.

 

[FïreBall]

Look, I live for football. Not sure what I'd do with none this Fall. So, yes, of course I'd watch it.

But, what we all want and what is best for the kids may not be the same. Let the docs decide, not politics.

The good thing is they are frequently testing and quarantining the players/staff on a positive result. You will only see myocarditis on any that have severe issues with Covid-19. The players have as much chance of a major career ending injury during a game. Here's the thing.. A player could sit out the season and get Covid from a public place and still run the same risk.

 

[Volsfaninva917]

Look, I live for football. Not sure what I'd do with none this Fall. So, yes, of course I'd watch it.

But, what we all want and what is best for the kids may not be the same. Let the docs decide, not politics.

That's just it, none of these Doctors agree and several are driven by their hatred for one person. Neither side can put politics aside and thats disgusting

 

[VFL-82-JP]

The good thing is they are frequently testing and quarantining the players/staff on a positive result. You will only see myocarditis on any that have severe issues with Covid-19. The players have as much chance of a major career ending injury during a game. Here's the thing.. A player could sit out the season and get Covid from a public place and still run the same risk.

Yes, what Fireball said is a huge point.

One Saturday while I was a cadet at West Point, my buddies and all ate dinner together then went different places -- a couple of us to a concert, a couple of others out with girlfriends. Unfortunately, something we ate was bad and we all ended up with food poisoning. One by one, we got back to the barracks, throwing up and feeling awful, and kind of figured it out together, so we headed down to the hospital.

Sitting in the emergency room, like midnight, feeling miserable. Oh, I forgot to mention: one of my buddies was captain of the hockey team. Well, the doctor who served voluntarily as the hockey team physician happened to be on ER duty that night. His reaction was hilarious and telling. Walked over, very nonchalantly, looking down at some papers, and asking, "so what's seems to be wrong with you fellows?" Then he looked up. Saw Jim sitting there. "Jim! What's wrong? What happened?" He's doing this like frantic visual inspection, I guess to see if Jim is bleeding anywhere or something. Jim didn't get maybe 6 words out, as soon as the doc heard "food poisoning" he was like, "Nurse, get this cadet admitted IMMEDIATELY, and get an IV going on him, ..." and so on.

We were all sitting there grinning through our illness, nudging each other and staring at Jim, who was beet-red, embarrassed as could be. He finally grinned back and just kind of shrugged. Meanwhile, the doc is rushing over to the station to use the phone--no idea who he was calling, but Jim's condition was a Big Deal, so maybe the media--and the nurse asks, "Doctor, what about these other cadets with him?" The doc stopped for a sec, looked back at us, and said, "oh yeah, I guess them too." Then went on to his phone call. Heh.

Point is, our lads on the football team will be cared for SO AMAZINGLY WELL as long as they're at school, in the program. If they were cut free to go back to their home towns, no football season and only distance learning, they'd be just another person. But at Tennessee, they'll get the best care huge amounts of money can buy.

I totally trust the medical and coaching staff at Tennessee to keep the players healthy. It's 100% in their interest to do just that. All motivations line up here for the benefit of the lads.

Go Vols!

 

[The Original Fade]

Dr. Michael Ackerman M.D., Ph.D., a genetic cardiologist at the Mayo Clinic, considered by many to be the foremost sports cardiologist in the world, and one of the medical professionals consulted in the Big 12 decision to play, said the heart (myocarditis) should not be the tipping point in sports decisions. The study that was being cited by the Big 10 and Pac 12 was a study with covid patients that had a median age of 49. Dr. Ackerman is adamant that the findings are NOT applicable to 20-24 year old athletes. Dr. Ackerman has over 3000 patients, 700 of which are athletes with a heart condition that have a non zero risk of sudden cardiac death every day. "Athletes are probably the safest of the student body." I encourage you to view Dr. Ackerman's interview with Jim Cramer.

https://www.thestreet.com/video/myocarditis-coronavirus-cardiologist-impact-college-sports?puc=_htmlbooyah_pla4&cm_ven=EMAIL_htmlbooyah&tstmem=53024297&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=BOOYAH&utm_term=Top+Mayo+Clinic+Cardiologist:+Heart+Is+Not+Center+of+Coronavirus+Universe

I think everyone agrees the vast majority of young people are not in imminent danger from COVID or Myocarditis resulting from COVID. But the PAC12 and BIG10 felt otherwise, and time will tell if they were the smartest people in the room or the dumbest

 

[The Original Fade]

That's just it, none of these Doctors agree and several are driven by their hatred for one person. Neither side can put politics aside and thats disgusting

Especially when one side is suggesting injections of antiseptics and the other is saying 6 feet of social distancing is not enough

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Look, I live for football. Not sure what I'd do with none this Fall. So, yes, of course I'd watch it.

But, what we all want and what is best for the kids may not be the same. Let the docs decide, not politics.

Looks like the docs are just as political as the politicians.

 

[VaBornVol]

“The old saying for infectious disease doctors is, you can have 10 different infectious disease doctors looking at the same patient and reach 13 different conclusions,’’ said Hostler, co-owner of Infection Control Education for Major Sports, LLC.. “There’s a lot of nuance to what’s going on.’’

How do we determine which infectious decease doctor is an expert?

 

[Delmar]

Are you going to turn on the TV to watch players die this fall Monty? How many died in high school football games to date so far?[/QUOTE. Nobody is going to have to die or even get sick for cancellations to occur. It just depends on the school/conference tolerance level for positive cases. Locally, Collierville High just canceled its next two games because of two positive tests and I’m sure they were showing no symptoms. The people in charge just are not going to take chances. Different world from high school vs college because of enhanced protocols and money but Collierville isn’t the only place this is going to happen. I hope the SEC makes it through the season but that remains to be seen.

 

[Delmar]

Sorry. Somehow my comment got embedded in VolfaninVA’s comment. Not sure how that happened. Sometimes I can be a Poster Child for Computer Illiteracy.

 

[Remy]

Anybody recall the 7 foot 4 inch bball player at Vanderbilt who had his career cut short reportedly at the time due to "a cold that ended up infecting his heart," Steve Turner? I don't recall reporting being exacting with the diagnosis, but colds and flu affecting hearts of athletes is nothing new. What IS new is politicians using it for political purposes and scare tactics.

Turner a Big Boost to Vanderbilt Five

 

[tennrich1]

USA Today article pretty much nails this debate:

Dr. Chris Hostler, an infectious disease specialist at Duke, was one of eight medical experts who spoke to USA TODAY Sports about advising the conferences. The fundamental question: How are doctors reviewing the same COVID-19 data and research, and yet coming to different conclusions?

“The old saying for infectious disease doctors is, you can have 10 different infectious disease doctors looking at the same patient and reach 13 different conclusions,’’ said Hostler, co-owner of Infection Control Education for Major Sports, LLC.. “There’s a lot of nuance to what’s going on.’’

'See what they want to see'
Confirmation bias could be at work, said Dr. Jonathan Drezner, Director of University of Washington Medicine Center for Sports Cardiology. COVID-19 has been linked to myocarditis – inflammation of the heart that is potentially fatal to athletes at exertion – and Drezner said there are "well over a dozen cases" of myocarditis in college athletes from the Power Five conferences

“Confirmation bias is a tendency to interpret new evidence as confirmation of one’s existing beliefs,’’ Drezner told USA TODAY Sports via email. “So in this case, if you tend to believe that COVID myocarditis is a big concern, you may err on the side of interpreting limited data as a reason to be cautious.

“On the contrary, if you don’t believe that the risk of COVID myocarditis is high or proven, then you are less likely to interpret limited evidence as a risk. Bottom line, people see what they want to see."

“There’s a lot of unknowns, and because of that, you’re going to have a lot of physicians, smart people, with different opinions,’’ said Kloner, chief science officer of Huntington Medical Research Institute in Pasadena, California. “I think we have to respect everyone’s opinion.

“But we’re still very much on a learning curve with this, and I would tend to the err on the side of safety. I don’t want to see dead football players.’’

USA Today did it in for me

 

[tennesseeduke]

Heart damage is a good reason to avoid the virus.

It comes from pretty much any virus and is not only associated with COVID19! GTFO

 

[BootheelVol]

Impact of Electronic Cigarettes on the Cardiovascular System

Worse than the Chinese Flu

 

[tennrich1]

Anybody recall the 7 foot 4 inch bball player at Vanderbilt who had his career cut short reportedly at the time due to "a cold that ended up infecting his heart," Steve Turner? I don't recall reporting being exacting with the diagnosis, but colds and flu affecting hearts of athletes is nothing new. What IS new is politicians using it for political purposes and scare tactics.

Turner a Big Boost to Vanderbilt Five

I know Steve so I'll ask him.

 

[VOLfrombama]

“The old saying for infectious disease doctors is, you can have 10 different infectious disease doctors looking at the same patient and reach 13 different conclusions,’’ said Hostler, co-owner of Infection Control Education for Major Sports, LLC.. “There’s a lot of nuance to what’s going on.’’

How do we determine which infectious decease doctor is an expert?

By choosing the one that fits your side of the argument, of course! It's a VN specialty to cherry pick crap that reinforces your views.

 

[VOLfrombama]

Also the benefit of all this coming out now is that the conferences that are going to play will be screening their positive players for this condition in order to clear them and prevent tragedy.