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Sentimore leaving is crazy! This guy didn't play at an elite level. I rarely even noticed him last year. Maybe he knows something we don't like he has a freakish 40 or verticle, but if not, this guy is a moron. Hell he wasn't even the best of the draft eligible d lineman. I'd think scouts would think a lot more of mcullers.

Mods, I think this tread being seperate from the others makes since because sentimore leaving wasn't really expected
 
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He looked good on film at the juco. But last year, he seemed to be playing at a heavier weight. Obviously, against much better competetion. But, he wasn't nearly as effective.

I blame it all on Sal. Couch wasn't as good as 2011 either. Sal and that 3-4 just made a big mess of things. I tend to not blame the kids for that type of problem.
 
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But,,but,,,Dooley left the program in much, much better shape by recruiting high character guys that would be here for 4 years. Dooley inherited a mess and was just unlucky his wonderful body of work didn't translate to wins. :loco:

Dooley = band-aid therapy.

Apart from a few quirky jokes, he is the worst coach I have ever seen.
 
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Hunter, Bray, Patterson and Sentimore.

My guess is at least two, possibly 3 out of the four will regret going into the draft early.
 
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Schnutz said:
But,,but,,,Dooley left the program in much, much better shape by recruiting high character guys that would be here for 4 years. Dooley inherited a mess and was just unlucky his wonderful body of work didn't translate to wins. :loco:

Dooley = band-aid therapy.

Apart from a few quirky jokes, he is the worst coach I have ever seen.
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If you can look at the roster that Dooley or Kiffin inherited and not see that Jones is inheriting a much stronger and more stable roster... with or without Sentimore then there's really no help for you.

The DL and OL particularly are MILES ahead of what Kiffin/Fulmer left. The QB position even without Bray is better with two legitimate talents that have at least a year in the program. Dooley inherited... NONE.

The ONLY RB that DD really inherited was Poole who at that point had 32 rushes for 171 yds in two years.


Dooley couldn't coach. He made poor staff decisions and then lacked the ability to make up for it. However he did recruit better players, have better off the field discipline, and lose fewer contributing players for the wrong reasons.
 
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sjt18 said:
If you can look at the roster that Dooley or Kiffin inherited and not see that Jones is inheriting a much stronger and more stable roster... with or without Sentimore then there's really no help for you.

The DL and OL particularly are MILES ahead of what Kiffin/Fulmer left. The QB position even without Bray is better with two legitimate talents that have at least a year in the program. Dooley inherited... NONE.

The ONLY RB that DD really inherited was Poole who at that point had 32 rushes for 171 yds in two years.


Dooley couldn't coach. He made poor staff decisions and then lacked the ability to make up for it. However he did recruit better players, have better off the field discipline, and lose fewer contributing players for the wrong reasons.
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Kiffin inherited a better team than Dooley!! hah. I know everyone hates Fulmer but geez!!
 
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Geez calm down OP. For the life of me I can't understand why anyone would fault any kid for trying to make it a go for their dream. Let's say the best he can do is make it to a practice squad. What's the league minimum? $300K? I guarantee no college grad is going to land a job making that kind of money right out of college, unless they're going to work for their millionaire daddy...or mommy. Y'all need to lay off these kids going after their dream. If anything, applaud them and thank them for their time in Orange.
 
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Positive change is on the way and some aren't going to be able to deal with it as Jones will hold them accountable on and off the field.

As I say in my business: "Quitters quit, it is what they do."
 
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BaldBiker said:
Hunter, Bray, Patterson and Sentimore.

My guess is at least two, possibly 3 out of the four will regret going into the draft early.
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IMHO, Bray made the best decision of the 4. Jones probably would have had an open competition in the spring for the QB job. With his lack of mobility, there's no guarantee that Bray would have even been the starter.

Hunter and Patterson will be drafted. I think both could have improved their draft positions with another year. Patterson is a project but a freakish athlete. Someone will make him a kick returner while teaching him to be a WR.

Hunter's draft position probably depends on whether someone chooses to ignore the "story behind the story" of this past season for him. He had great stats. But he also dropped alot of balls and played poorly against better D's and DB's. If he returned and played like he did before the injury then he is probably a high first rounder. I think he misses the most money by coming out.

The only reason I can think of for Sentimore to leave is grades. I'm personally not even sure based on his performance this past year that he has the talent to play in the NFL even with another year. His best hope IMO if grades allowed would have been to return, lose weight, and play DE. He might could have stayed at 290 and proven himself as a 4-3 DT but I really doubt it.
 
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McCullers and Phillips are big losses. We are woefully thin on the line after next year.

DTs
Allan Carson
Greg Clark
Danny O'Brien
Trevarris Saulsberry

DEs
Jordan Williams
Latroy Lewis
Jason Carr -13
Chauntez Jackson -13
Joe Sanders-13

I can't think of anyone else. Flipping Lawson and Herron would be big.
 
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UTvols14 said:
Kiffin inherited a better team than Dooley!! hah. I know everyone hates Fulmer but geez!!
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Both inherited a pretty bad situation. I would say Kiffin inherited better individual players but had bigger holes with NO ONE to fill them. Two of the OL's he inherited were drafted the next year... but he had to start an undersized Fr and two walk on's too. DD inherited "bodies" for just about every position but they lacked experience, talent, or both.

Jones inherits one of the best if not the best returning OL's in the country. He inherits talented bodies on the DL that have experience if not the best development. He inherits DB's that are talented enough for a good DC to get production from. He inherits a couple of very good LB's... and won't have to start a walk on at the other spot. WR's have no experience but there's talent. He will have 2 RB's that went for over 600 yds and avg'd over 4.5 ypc.

The roster is improved.



I DO NOT hate Fulmer. I appreciate the success that he brought to UT during the 90's. But for many reasons that have been beaten to death here, he presided over a decline of the program that directly caused what we see now. He was either unable or unwilling to do what needed to be done to avoid it. For whatever reason, he just flat out stopped getting quality DL's and OL's. That was a big part of the drop off.

I truly miss and appreciate those great days he had in his prime... but by the time he left it was past time for him to leave.
 
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sjt18 said:
If you can look at the roster that Dooley or Kiffin inherited and not see that Jones is inheriting a much stronger and more stable roster... with or without Sentimore then there's really no help for you.

The DL and OL particularly are MILES ahead of what Kiffin/Fulmer left. The QB position even without Bray is better with two legitimate talents that have at least a year in the program. Dooley inherited... NONE.

The ONLY RB that DD really inherited was Poole who at that point had 32 rushes for 171 yds in two years.


Dooley couldn't coach. He made poor staff decisions and then lacked the ability to make up for it. However he did recruit better players, have better off the field discipline, and lose fewer contributing players for the wrong reasons.
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It's better but all the JUCOs on defense effectively created a poison pill for 2014. Dooley didn't address the DL in a sustainable way and not taking a single freakin OL last year has put us in a hole when 4 of this year's starters (assuming Tiny leaves early) graduate after this year. 2014 will have youth all over the OL and DL. This is not a recipe for success in the SEC.
 
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Based on some on vn everyone wants n loves to play for bj boy n all the current players r working hard.. I guess that's may not be true.. maybe some players don't believe cincy had the best coaching staff hanging out?????

Who else will leave that we don't expect?

This hurt IMO.. the dl could use him next year.
 
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sjt18 said:
If you can look at the roster that Dooley or Kiffin inherited and not see that Jones is inheriting a much stronger and more stable roster... with or without Sentimore then there's really no help for you.

The DL and OL particularly are MILES ahead of what Kiffin/Fulmer left. The QB position even without Bray is better with two legitimate talents that have at least a year in the program. Dooley inherited... NONE.

The ONLY RB that DD really inherited was Poole who at that point had 32 rushes for 171 yds in two years.


Dooley couldn't coach. He made poor staff decisions and then lacked the ability to make up for it. However he did recruit better players, have better off the field discipline, and lose fewer contributing players for the wrong reasons.
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Dooley recruited 32 4 stars and 16 are not on the roster. They were either booted, transferred or didn't qualify.

Don't care about the Dooley/Kiffin debate but Dooley didn't do us any favors. Just look at our depth at DL, RB, hell every position except for DBs.
 
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Based on some on vn everyone wants n loves to play for bj boy n all the current players r working hard.. I guess that may not be true.. maybe some players don't believe cincy had the best coaching staff hanging out?????

Who else will leave that we don't expect?

This hurt IMO.. the dl could use him next year.
 
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Attrition. Happens during every coaching change. He seemed interested in playing against one team all year though, depth hit.. Not much more of a loss than that.
 
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I think Sentimore is more a 3-4 end and didn't see a benefit to playing in a 4 down lineman defense. That would be my guess.
 
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They just scrolled McShays projections for these players.

Hunter - Number 1 WR Prospect
Patterson - Number 3 WR Prospect
Bray - Number 4 QB Prospect
Sentimore - Nothing shown for him during the scroll.

He should probably talk to someone in the evaluation process before hiring an agent.
 
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