The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

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#7,576
BowlBrother85 said:
Vice president doesn’t have power to ‘change the outcome’ of elections

That is dead wrong, and doesn't make any sense.

Can you point to anything in either the United States Constitution or Federal Election Commission law, which grants the Vice President the unilateral discretionary authority to decline to count electoral college votes?

No, you can't ... because it's not there. Hawaii, in the 1960 Presidential Election was close enough to mandate a recount ... Michigan in 2020 was not. Your examples are not analogous with each other. Michigan in 2020 was never going to be under recount. Biden won the state by 154,000 votes!
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Did Nixon reject the electors in 1960??? Yes or no
 
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whodeycin85 said:
If Ivanka had a diary that said that same thing, you would assume along with Trump pictures and inappropriate comments that he had done something to his daughter...you know it and I know it...btw....in MI is there a copy of the letter the electors sent??
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Donald Trump has expressed a sexual interest in Ivanka ... and yet, that is not enough to call him a pedophile.
 
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#7,579
BowlBrother85 said:
You mean electoral votes? The only way that Trump could have won the election, is if he flipped some combination of 3 states. Simply flipping the two closest - Georgia and Arizona - wouldn't be enough. There is no way that he could possibly believe that he legitimately won the election.
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In his egotistical mind, he was the rightful winner but was cheated by left wing voter fraud
 
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#7,581
whodeycin85 said:
They changed it in 22 made it ceremonial.... Nixon rejected elector in 1960. Completely legally...
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Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

Constitution does not allow Mike Pence to reject electoral votes

If the Vice President had the legal authority to decline to count electoral votes, then Al Gore would have declined to count the votes from Florida in January of 2001.

The Vice President's role in the formal certification of the electoral college vote is strictly one of procedural formality. It would make no sense for the Vice President to have such power in a democratic system of elections. It would present a conflict of interest for the VP, since the VP will also frequently be a candidate on the ballot, as Al Gore was in 2000.
 
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Vol8188 said:
In his egotistical mind, he was the rightful winner but was cheated by left wing voter fraud
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An ironic aspect of this ... is that the electoral college vote count in 2020 was exactly the same as it was in 2016 ....

306-232

On multiple occasions, Trump described his victory over Hillary Clinton in 2016, as being a "landslide." So, by his own standards, the 2020 Presidential Election was not even close.
 
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#7,584
BowlBrother85 said:
Donald Trump has expressed a sexual interest in Ivanka ... and yet, that is not enough to call him a pedophile.
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Words are not actions...Christ you'd think the educated side of the aisle would understand that....Joe is on film pinching a child nipple, sniffing kids, his daughter has trauma from showering with him so much show she wrote about it during therapy....that's all circumstancial, not enough to convict but enough to form a solid opinion
 
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#7,585
whodeycin85 said:
Did he reject approved electors??? Yes or no
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... and that was never contested in court, because there was no need to. JFK had already won the election. Nixon said himself that this shouldn't stand as future precedent. It is ridiculous that you're pinning your whole argument on that.

There is nothing in either the United States Constitution or FEC law, which allows for the Vice President to decline to count electoral college votes at his discretion. It's a nonsensical argument that you are making ... all in effort to defend Trump at all cost. Pathetic.

You did the same thing with Clinton's "sock drawer" case. LOL.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
I have been saying this for months. The extremes of the Democratic & Republican Parties (20% each Party) are controlling the 60% of the middle part of the party. This country will not be put back into its set governance until you cut the Extremes for both side of each party and start governing from the middle. An OAC & MGT have no business serving. Both are a waste of space, Pelosi and McCarthy need to go as well. Shumer and McConnell as well as Cruz & Feinstein. Cut the extremes out. Term & Age limits as well. That would equal 40 (20 each side of the Senate) and 80 (40 each side in the House)

If you had employees this incompetent and always stirring crap on each other, or not getting anything productive done. You would fire them.
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Reality check here. Federal employees are extremely competent, as a group. Most of them come into their appointed positions taking far less money than they could have gotten in the private sector. Now, Congress is another matter. Many, or most, members now couldn't qualify for an appointed or recruited position within the federal government. THEY ARE THE PROBLEM. Our dumbed downed citizens have elected ignorant radicals because they shout cultural righteousness to their crowd. On both sides of the aisle. Social media has been the PREDOMINANT catalyst in this transformation. Very few competent members remain in the HOR.
 
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#7,587
whodeycin85 said:
Words are not actions...Christ you'd think the educated side of the aisle would understand that....Joe is on film pinching a child nipple, sniffing kids, his daughter has trauma from showering with him so much show she wrote about it during therapy....that's all circumstancial, not enough to convict but enough to form a solid opinion
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You are embellishing a great deal here ... and I've made my thoughts on the diary clear.
 
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#7,588
Jesus. Did he or did he not reject electors that had already been approved?? You want answer straight because you know he did, which means it was legal..thank you and good night
 
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#7,591
BowlBrother85 said:
An ironic aspect of this ... is that the electoral college vote count in 2020 was exactly the same as it was in 2016 ....

306-232

On multiple occasions, Trump described his victory over Hillary Clinton in 2016, as being a "landslide." So, by his own standards, the 2020 Presidential Election was not even close.
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Sure? No one has ever said he’s consistent.
 
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#7,592
whodeycin85 said:
Jesus. Did he or did he not reject electors that had already been approved?? You want answer straight because you know he did, which means it was legal..thank you and good night
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Jesus ... Is there anything in either the United States Constitution or Federal Election Commission law that allows for the Vice President to decline to count electoral votes during certification? No, there is not.

You are pinning everything on a legally untested example from 60 years ago, which even Nixon said, should not stand as precedent. I'm pinning my argument on the United States Constitution and Federal Election law.

Can you provide a link to an attorney (who didn't work for Trump) who believes that the Vice President has the authority to decline to count electoral votes during certification? No, you can't.
 
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#7,593
whodeycin85 said:
Jesus. Did he or did he not reject electors that had already been approved?? You want answer straight because you know he did, which means it was legal..thank you and good night
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The killer in the supposed "elector scheme" could be Mark Meadows. If Barr testifies, it's nails. Barr will handle Trump's lawyers in a cross like Sister Maria to her first grade students.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
The killer in the supposed "elector scheme" could be Mark Meadows. If Barr testifies, it's nails. Barr will handle Trump's lawyers in a cross like Sister Maria to her first grade students.
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Between Meadows, Pence and Barr.

I understand why Trump's only hope is to win this in the court of public opinion. It's not happening in the court room.
 
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#7,597
Donald Trump's Intent is what is going to nail Donald Trump. Means, Motive & Opportunity.
Nothing has changed.
 
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