The more I research, the more I'm becoming convinced

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StepCross

StepCross

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that this guy has potential.

He started in 08-09 with 5 scholarship players, and they were terrible.

In 2010 and 2011, he pretty much started a lineup consisting of two 6-1 guards, a 6-3 wing, a 6-6 PF, and a 6-9 center. They led their conference in defensive rebounding percentage, posted a good defensive FG% considering their (lack of) height, and won 24 and 26 games.

I'm interested to see what he can do with a team that isn't giving up 2 inches at half the positions on the floor.
 
#2
#2
He has major potential. I love the hire. I think this was a home run in my mind.
 
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#3
More importantly I think he's the type of hire that the bball program needs right now. Essentially he's the bball version of Dooley.
 
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#4
In college basketball, the only thing occupying the margin between solid team and final four threat is recruiting.

I like the hire, and am already convinced he can coach, but surviving in a league with Kentucky and Florida means one thing: Getting in with the AAU guys.
 
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milohimself said:
In college basketball, the only thing occupying the margin between solid team and final four threat is recruiting.

I like the hire, and am already convinced he can coach, but surviving in a league with Kentucky and Florida means one thing: Getting in with the AAU guys.
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This is a weird year to say that. Not saying your wrong, but... ya, it's a weird year to say that.
 
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He's got potential. The more youtube stuff I find, the more articles/blogs I read the more impressed I become.

First reaction was pure anger and a "Who the smurf is that!?" moment.... now that I've simmered... I think this guy has a shot.

Let's see if he can recruit. Starting with Tobias and Scotty.
 
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milohimself said:
In college basketball, the only thing occupying the margin between solid team and final four threat is recruiting.
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Recruiting is everything, but we knew about the recruiting prowess of exactly NONE of the "hot" mid-major names being kicked around.

If he can't recruit, he's doomed...but so would have been Mooney, Smart, Jones, Marshall, Byrd, Mack, Stevens, or any other mid-major name that's been tossed around.

Recruiting was the big uncertainty with everyone.

And it should be noted that Purdue fans give this guy credit for Painter's talent. They say recruiting has fallen off a cliff since Martin left to be a head coach. TIFWIW.
 
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milohimself said:
In college basketball, the only thing occupying the margin between solid team and final four threat is recruiting.

I like the hire, and am already convinced he can coach, but surviving in a league with Kentucky and Florida means one thing: Getting in with the AAU guys.
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He has ties in STL, he now has Memphis to pick from, and he had a great recruiting record at Purdue. I'm confident.
 
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can he recruit with sanctions?

would take a big hire to rescue this program and this is not it,,nothing against him,,we needed a much bigger hire,,back to the cellar!
 
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volintears said:
can he recruit with sanctions?

would take a big hire to rescue this program and this is not it,,nothing against him,,we needed a much bigger hire,,back to the cellar!
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1. By "sanctions," do you mean the 2-year show-cause they're going to slap on Pearl? Not sure how that will affect Cuonzo/UT.

2. The cellar shouldn't be an issue, unless half the team abandons ship. Golden, Hopson, McRae, Maymon, Hall is not a final four lineup, but should compete for 2nd or 3rd in the SEC East.
 
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StepCross said:
1. By "sanctions," do you mean the 2-year show-cause they're going to slap on Pearl? Not sure how that will affect Cuonzo/UT.

2. The cellar shouldn't be an issue, unless half the team abandons ship. Golden, Hopson, McRae, Maymon, Hall is not a final four lineup, but should compete for 2nd or 3rd in the SEC East.
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its not all gonna land on Pearl,UT will loose schollies,and most likely some recruiting sanctions,,and those guys will not win the east not even close IF IF they stay!!
 
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Martin has good ties to the St.Louis,Chicago and entire state of Indiana when it comes to recruiting. He will get players to UT.
 
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His record is: 61 wins and 41 losses at a Missouri Valley Conference school.

let's look at the MVC
Bradley
Creighton
Drake
University of Evansville
Illinois State University
Indiana State University
Missouri State University
University of Northern Iowa
Southern Illinois University
Wichita State University

his signature out of conference win was auburn. yawn.

Now if you just want to go by records.. then that's a .598 winning percentage when getting the advantage of scheduling THOSE above teams 2 times a year. wow. not impressive any longer is it? Well, let's look deeper.
I took a look around the MVC and just found a couple of guys who were MORE qualified than coach Zo.

First, let's look at Ben Jacobson UNI 109-56 and beat Kansas in the NCAA last year. he has a .661 winning percentage
Ben Jacobson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Secondly, let's look at
Tim Jankovich - Illinois State, 83-49 a .629 winning percentage

Thirdly, Chris Lowery at Southern Illinois with a 133-92 record (equals .591).

So, i just very quickly looked up 3 coaches from the same conference who have been there about the same number of years (+ or - 1) and have BETTER (or equal) records than coach Zo.

this was 10 minutes work, i'm sure in more time I could provide more DATA on proven winners from the MVC. (HA HA HA). When I say proven winners, i mean big name guys who are good. Wright-Villanova etc)

FIRE MIKE HAMILTON NOW.
 
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Okay, so did your "stats" show his first team had five scholarship players, and that he went 50-21 the last two years. If you did your "research" you would see that's a winning percentage of 70.5%.
 
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Brianchevy said:
His record is: 61 wins and 41 losses at a Missouri Valley Conference school.

let's look at the MVC
Bradley
Creighton
Drake
University of Evansville
Illinois State University
Indiana State University
Missouri State University
University of Northern Iowa
Southern Illinois University
Wichita State University

his signature out of conference win was auburn. yawn.

Now if you just want to go by records.. then that's a .598 winning percentage when getting the advantage of scheduling THOSE above teams 2 times a year. wow. not impressive any longer is it? Well, let's look deeper.
I took a look around the MVC and just found a couple of guys who were MORE qualified than coach Zo.

First, let's look at Ben Jacobson UNI 109-56 and beat Kansas in the NCAA last year. he has a .661 winning percentage
Ben Jacobson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Secondly, let's look at
Tim Jankovich - Illinois State, 83-49 a .629 winning percentage

Thirdly, Chris Lowery at Southern Illinois with a 133-92 record (equals .591).

So, i just very quickly looked up 3 coaches from the same conference who have been there about the same number of years (+ or - 1) and have BETTER (or equal) records than coach Zo.

this was 10 minutes work, i'm sure in more time I could provide more DATA on proven winners from the MVC. (HA HA HA). When I say proven winners, i mean big name guys who are good. Wright-Villanova etc)

FIRE MIKE HAMILTON NOW.
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The MCV isn't a cake walk of a conference.
 
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UT absolutely HAD to hire a squeaky clean guy. He fits the bill and it seems he can coach. If he can also recruit, it's a great hire. If he fails, I think the powers that be take it out on Hammy and axe both.
 
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StepCross said:
that this guy has potential.

He started in 08-09 with 5 scholarship players, and they were terrible.

In 2010 and 2011, he pretty much started a lineup consisting of two 6-1 guards, a 6-3 wing, a 6-6 PF, and a 6-9 center. They led their conference in defensive rebounding percentage, posted a good defensive FG% considering their (lack of) height, and won 24 and 26 games.

I'm interested to see what he can do with a team that isn't giving up 2 inches at half the positions on the floor.
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What was the reason they only had 5 scholarship players?
 
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zjcvols said:
Okay, so did your "stats" show his first team had five scholarship players, and that he went 50-21 the last two years. If you did your "research" you would see that's a winning percentage of 70.5%.
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Seems like he had some trouble winning the big games. In the MAC the games that really matter are the tournament championship games that get the automatic bid to the NCAA tournament.
 
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