The myth that Dan Mullen is a great coach

#51
#51
secking said:
I’ll concede it was easier in Sherrill’s day, that’s why I didnt even list him winning the west vs Mullen not. Mullen did go bowling but a few 7-6, 6-7 seasons to get there. You’re rewarded now for being average with bowls. I do wonder how much the NCAA settled with Jackie, the original lawsuit was in the millions and here we are 15 years later?
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I'd have to dig it up, but someone listed Mullen's record against SEC teams on here once. The only teams he consistently struggled against were Alabama and LSU. He was around .500 or better against everyone else. That's really hard to do at Miss St, and he's the only one (yes, including Jackie Sherrill) to ever do it, and he did it when a team from the SEC West was winning or playing for the title every year. His in-state rival was cheating and having a great run while he was there too.
 
#53
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Sub Par SUPERSTAR said:
Is Dan elite? who knows...Maybe, maybe not, only time will tell...Tell me what Mark Ric...Err...Kirby Smart is?...Sell me that he's an elite coach and not just someone who had the privilege of "running" Nick Saban's defense...Convince me that he's not just a Mr. February like Mack Brown who never wins meaningful games, I'd be eager to hear the argument.

Again I'll admit, his team full of 5 stars has beaten Jim McElwain's recruits the past two years (This year, again, with "interesting" officiating.), and that's a mountain Dan still needs to climb...But to start a thread about "the myth that Dan Mullen is a good coach" when Kirby Smart has an entire roster full of 5 star players, yet is 0 for the SEC West on the road, and lost to a putrid South Carolina team at home, is just plain moronic.
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Well, I didnt start the thread, just weighing in. You're not the first to suggest Kirby has underachieved. I don't think losing to the #1 team coached by the GOAT should be classified as underachieving. McElwain underachieved. Butch Jones underachieved. Willie Taggert underachieved. There are a handful of really good teams at the top. UGA is one of them. To label the coach at UGA an underachiever because he hasn't won the Big Enchilada in his first 3 seasons as a head coach is just asinine.
I'm almost positive Mullen signed a recruiting class in February, but maybe I'm wrong. UGA plays a ton of freshmen. Get them ready and get them on the field.
And come on, you're gonna throw the officiating card? Both teams played on the same field, same refs. Calls went both ways. The narrative Saturday night was that the Dawgs got it done. Questionable clock management? Sure. But not the Dawgs coach. Apparently, one team came out not ready to play, as evidenced by the two timeouts on the opening drive.
Carolina? Your ice QB turns the ball over 4 times, your ice kicker misses a chip shot, and you lose by a FG in double OT. That's all on Kirby? Just shows that any SEC team can lose to any other, any given Saturday, something that the Dawgs have failed to do the last 3 years when the Gators were concerned.
 
#54
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OklahomaDawg said:
Pretty sure most everyone here said Florida would beat Georgia because Mullen is the better coach.

He’s not.
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That is not true. It was about 50/50. I had Georgia winning 27-16. Mullen is a very good coach and he has done a good job with Florida so far. With the one exception of the Kentucky game at home last season, they have won every game they should have and even pulled a notable upset against LSU. They are ahead of schedule and the Gator fans should feel good about that. Georgia also has a great thing going and they are recruiting on an Alabama level. However, Georgia doesn't play with the consistency of Alabama. The South Carolina loss was reminiscent of the Richt era.
 
#55
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OklahomaDawg said:
I see numerous people pointing out how superior Mullen is when it comes to coaching as compared to Kirby.

Kirby Smart is 3-0 vs. Dan Mullen

2017: 31-3
2018: 36-17
2019: 24-17

If you want to count the days of each being a DC and OC, add a lot more losses for Mullen as his O at Florida/MSU beat Kirby’s D one time.

In terms of recruiting, it isn’t close. Mullen can’t recruit while Kirby is Top 5 in the country. That’s why there’s such a talent disparity.

Dan Mullen is also 5-19 against Top 25 teams.

Mullen is a mediocre coach that is riding off a half season of success with Dak Prescott.

I don’t think he beats us once as head coach at Florida. I think Kirby reels off a Spurrier/90s run against Mullen.

Kirby is Mullen/Florida’s daddy.
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and Kirby was suppose to get y’all over the hump. He’s not better than Richt.

You feel better.
I feel better.
 
#56
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BAMA-DAWG said:
Well, I didnt start the thread, just weighing in. You're not the first to suggest Kirby has underachieved. I don't think losing to the #1 team coached by the GOAT should be classified as underachieving. McElwain underachieved. Butch Jones underachieved. Willie Taggert underachieved. There are a handful of really good teams at the top. UGA is one of them. To label the coach at UGA an underachiever because he hasn't won the Big Enchilada in his first 3 seasons as a head coach is just asinine.
I'm almost positive Mullen signed a recruiting class in February, but maybe I'm wrong. UGA plays a ton of freshmen. Get them ready and get them on the field.
And come on, you're gonna throw the officiating card? Both teams played on the same field, same refs. Calls went both ways. The narrative Saturday night was that the Dawgs got it done. Questionable clock management? Sure. But not the Dawgs coach. Apparently, one team came out not ready to play, as evidenced by the two timeouts on the opening drive.
Carolina? Your ice QB turns the ball over 4 times, your ice kicker misses a chip shot, and you lose by a FG in double OT. That's all on Kirby? Just shows that any SEC team can lose to any other, any given Saturday, something that the Dawgs have failed to do the last 3 years when the Gators were concerned.
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First of all, "any team can lose to any team" doesn't fly when the coach in question is supposedly elite...No actual elite coach in college football has lost at home as a 24 point favorite, I guarantee you...And second, I'm not blaming the refs outright for the loss, but you know good and well the biggest calls or non calls, the type of stuff that trended on Twitter, favored Georgia and contributed to their momentum.
 
#57
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BAMA-DAWG said:
Well, I didnt start the thread, just weighing in. You're not the first to suggest Kirby has underachieved. I don't think losing to the #1 team coached by the GOAT should be classified as underachieving. McElwain underachieved. Butch Jones underachieved. Willie Taggert underachieved. There are a handful of really good teams at the top. UGA is one of them. To label the coach at UGA an underachiever because he hasn't won the Big Enchilada in his first 3 seasons as a head coach is just asinine.
I'm almost positive Mullen signed a recruiting class in February, but maybe I'm wrong. UGA plays a ton of freshmen. Get them ready and get them on the field.
And come on, you're gonna throw the officiating card? Both teams played on the same field, same refs. Calls went both ways. The narrative Saturday night was that the Dawgs got it done. Questionable clock management? Sure. But not the Dawgs coach. Apparently, one team came out not ready to play, as evidenced by the two timeouts on the opening drive.
Carolina? Your ice QB turns the ball over 4 times, your ice kicker misses a chip shot, and you lose by a FG in double OT. That's all on Kirby? Just shows that any SEC team can lose to any other, any given Saturday, something that the Dawgs have failed to do the last 3 years when the Gators were concerned.
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The problem is with all that talent he’s done nothing. It’s not like Kirby has to reach very far outside the state to get what he doesent have. Most is right in his back yard. Continually loaded with talent and they’ve beat Bama once to my knowledge.

So yes I’d say Kirby underachieves.
 
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And please explain South Carolina.

There’s simply no excuse why they lose to a team that got blown out by Tennessee.

That’s why I’ve said and will continue to say Georgia goes into games thinking they’ll win simply because they’re Georgia. It’s not every game but you could make an argument that it happens more Than it should.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That is not true. It was about 50/50. I had Georgia winning 27-16. Mullen is a very good coach and he has done a good job with Florida so far. With the one exception of the Kentucky game at home last season, they have won every game they should have and even pulled a notable upset against LSU. They are ahead of schedule and the Gator fans should feel good about that. Georgia also has a great thing going and they are recruiting on an Alabama level. However, Georgia doesn't play with the consistency of Alabama. The South Carolina loss was reminiscent of the Richt era.
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There’s something wrong when you come out flat against Tennessee. Georgia came in as the clear favorite with twice the talent and depth and it came down to late 3rd early 4th?

Add to it Carolina at home. Nothing more needs to be said.

I’m not discrediting the Fl game by any means it was a great game. They should by now take care of who they need to and not have an oh crap moment and finally start to play late in games making the score worse than the game truly was
 
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Everybody is saying that the East is completely in the bag, I’m not 100% sold that it is . @ Auburn and then aTm at home? That’s not an easy 2 week stretch. It’s very likely they’ll win the East, but I don’t see them as a CFP team unless they change some things, most noticeably their ability or lack their of, to stretch the field . I don’t think they can score w/ Bama, LSU, Ohio State or Clemson. Probably OU as well.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Everybody is saying that the East is completely in the bag, I’m not 100% sold that it is . @ Auburn and then aTm at home? That’s not an easy 2 week stretch. It’s very likely they’ll win the East, but I don’t see them as a CFP team unless they change some things, most noticeably their ability or lack their of, to stretch the field . I don’t think they can score w/ Bama, LSU, Ohio State or Clemson. Probably OU as well.
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Can they lose one more and get the tiebreak?

I'm too lazy to study it
 
#64
#64
Dudleys87 said:
He’s not awful in my opinion and they Always seem to be ready to play
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No. Mullen isn't awful. But they weren't ready to play UGA Saturday. Don't take my word for it. Pat Dooley said the same. But if gator fan thinks Mullen's going to lead them to prominence, ain't gonna happen. TN under Pruitt will sooner be a much more formidable opponent IMO than Mullen. FL can, at best, hope to be third in the East. "Almost" beating UGA, LSU, and (soon) TN won't get them in a New Years Day bowl, much less the CFP.
 
#65
#65
RDU VOL#14 said:
Everybody is saying that the East is completely in the bag, I’m not 100% sold that it is . @ Auburn and then aTm at home? That’s not an easy 2 week stretch. It’s very likely they’ll win the East, but I don’t see them as a CFP team unless they change some things, most noticeably their ability or lack their of, to stretch the field . I don’t think they can score w/ Bama, LSU, Ohio State or Clemson. Probably OU as well.
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I read somewhere that TN is still mathematically in....
 
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BAMA-DAWG said:
Aaaah....the old "Rome wasn't built in a day" schtick. How long did it take to build Rome?
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Rome was founded in 753 BC

They won the third Punic war, defeating Carthage and establishing themselves as the sole dominant force in the Mediterranean in 146 BC

Rome had the most territory under Emperor Trajan in 116 AD

So take your pick
 
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