The new UT defense?

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That we can ignore a show-cause order on Pearl because it wouldn't apply to Pearl while he's at Tennessee, but would only apply to Pearl if he went elsewhere. This is actually being reported as credible over on TOS by the otherwise credible Hubbs. It's the most absurd interpretation of a show-cause I've ever heard.

FYI: look up a show-cause order on the NCAA site from past order, and they always say the coach "shall be restricted at any employing NCAA institution" not just some "new" employing NCAA institution.

Hamilton must be reading out of the Mike Garrett playbook on how to deal with the NCAA.
 
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If Bruce signs a new contract, the NCAA as a third party cannot step in and terminate that contract. However, they can certaintly suspend him for the duration of the show-cause penalty period.
 
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Let's just hire His Fatness as our basketball coach. He'll work like heck! He bleeds orange! Bruce bleeds bagel dough.
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jdavis675 said:
If Bruce signs a new contract, the NCAA as a third party cannot step in and terminate that contract. However, they can certaintly suspend him for the duration of the show-cause penalty period.
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But here is the lunacy Hubbs is perpetuating on TOS. That a show-cause order doesn't apply to Tennessee, claiming a show-cause order only applies to other schools where Pearl isn't hired at the time. It makes Hubbs look like a complete moron, yet he & his folks keep repeating it.
 
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VegasVol said:
That we can ignore a show-cause order on Pearl because it wouldn't apply to Pearl while he's at Tennessee, but would only apply to Pearl if he went elsewhere. This is actually being reported as credible over on TOS by the otherwise credible Hubbs. It's the most absurd interpretation of a show-cause I've ever heard.

FYI: look up a show-cause order on the NCAA site from past order, and they always say the coach "shall be restricted at any employing NCAA institution" not just some "new" employing NCAA institution.

Hamilton must be reading out of the Mike Garrett playbook on how to deal with the NCAA.
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Actually what he said is that the show cause wouldn't affect his employment if Tennessee chooses to keep him, but that the NCAA would suspend him. That is accurate.
 
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tvols75 said:
Actually what he said is that the show cause wouldn't affect his employment if Tennessee chooses to keep him, but that the NCAA would suspend him. That is accurate.
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It's not accurate. He's saying the show-cause order doesn't apply to Tennessee & that's ludicrous. How does it "not affect" his employment? He would be precluded by such a show-cause order from whatever the NCAA provided. For example, a typical such show-cause order will say the coach "shall be precluded from any contact of any kind with prospective student- athletes on-campus," "prohibited during a two-year period from performing any recruiting duties (evaluations, contacts, and otherwise) off-campus," etc., etc., In other words, it will prohibit it from doing a single aspect of his job. How the h*** does that not "affect" his "employment"?
 
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VegasVol said:
It's not accurate. He's saying the show-cause order doesn't apply to Tennessee & that's ludicrous. How does it "not affect" his employment? He would be precluded by such a show-cause order from whatever the NCAA provided. For example, a typical such show-cause order will say the coach "shall be precluded from any contact of any kind with prospective student- athletes on-campus," "prohibited during a two-year period from performing any recruiting duties (evaluations, contacts, and otherwise) off-campus," etc., etc., In other words, it will prohibit it from doing a single aspect of his job. How the h*** does that not "affect" his "employment"?
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The NCAA cannot fire Pearl. UT is the only one who can control his employment. If they want to keep him as a coach with the show cause in effect then they can. Will the show-cause and the suspension that goes along with it force Tennessee's hand? Maybe. However, the NCAA has no say in if Tennessee keeps Bruce Pearl as a coach. They can issue punishment severe enough to make it hard for them to keep him, but they cannot fire him. It's not that hard of a concept. Chill out, kid.
 
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tvols75 said:
The NCAA cannot fire Pearl. UT is the only one who can control his employment. If they want to keep him as a coach with the show cause in effect then they can. Will the show-cause and the suspension that goes along with it force Tennessee's hand? Maybe. However, the NCAA has no say in if Tennessee keeps Bruce Pearl as a coach. They can issue punishment severe enough to make it hard for them to keep him, but they cannot fire him. It's not that hard of a concept. Chill out, kid.
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Not really true. Here's what a show-cause looks like:

"For these reasons, the committee imposes a two- year show-cause period beginning on February 22, 2011, and ending on February 21, 2013. During this period the athletically related duties of the former operations director shall be restricted at any employing NCAA institution as set forth below."

Those restrictions can include prohibitions on coaching, supervising, off-campus recruiting, on-campus contact with recruits, on-campus contact with players, etc., etc.

Can we pay Bruce Pearl to sit at home for 2 years? Sure. Would we? Not unless we're nuts.
 
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VegasVol said:
That we can ignore a show-cause order on Pearl because it wouldn't apply to Pearl while he's at Tennessee, but would only apply to Pearl if he went elsewhere. This is actually being reported as credible over on TOS by the otherwise credible Hubbs. It's the most absurd interpretation of a show-cause I've ever heard.

FYI: look up a show-cause order on the NCAA site from past order, and they always say the coach "shall be restricted at any employing NCAA institution" not just some "new" employing NCAA institution.

Hamilton must be reading out of the Mike Garrett playbook on how to deal with the NCAA.
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If Hamilton continues with this type of response to the NCAA, he is only assuring that he leaves with Pearl or that the basketball program will receive major sanctions that will require years to overcome.
 
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gorockytop101 said:
That's the point. We're making the decision, not the NCAA.
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Look again. Here's Bozeman's show cause:

"The head men’s basketball coach involved in this case will be informed in writing by the NCAA that, due to his involvement in certain violations of NCAA legislation found in this case, if he seeks employment or affiliation in an athletically related position at an NCAA member institution during an eight-year period (June 1, 1997, to June 1, 2005), he and the involved institution shall be requested to appear before the Committee on Infractions to consider whether the member institution should be subject to the show-cause procedures of Bylaw 19.6.2.2-(l), which could limit his athletically related duties at the new institution for a designated period."

Translated: he can't work as a coach and if someone wants to hire him as such, they have to beg the NCAA first.
 
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