The next head coach

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OrangeByBirth

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I believe that Dooley's fate is sealed. He is gone.

I also KNOW that if the Athletic Director, Dave Hart, does not know who will be the next head coach at the University of Tennessee by now, he should also be gone. It will be necessary to conduct an official search to comply with the rules. However, if the search is more than a sham, Hart is following the same failed path of his predecessor. The work must be done behind the scenes. You cannot waive applications around for the media to scrutinize. Hart must simply announce a search as required, wait a couple of days, and announce the choice. No short list; no favorites; no flight schedules; nothing but THE choice. Anything less and there might be a role for Dooley in the Athletic Department administration!

This has nothing to do with rumors or who, just the fact.
 
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OrangeByBirth said:
I believe that Dooley's fate is sealed. He is gone.

I also KNOW that if the Athletic Director, Dave Hart, does not know who will be the next head coach at the University of Tennessee by now, he should also be gone. It will be necessary to conduct an official search to comply with the rules. However, if the search is more than a sham, Hart is following the same failed path of his predecessor. The work must be done behind the scenes. You cannot waive applications around for the media to scrutinize. Hart must simply announce a search as required, wait a couple of days, and announce the choice. No short list; no favorites; no flight schedules; nothing but THE choice. Anything less and there might be a role for Dooley in the Athletic Department administration!

This has nothing to do with rumors or who, just the fact.
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Good post, well up until that part about Dooley in the AD office.
 
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utkell65 said:
Good post, well up until that part about Dooley in the AD office.
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This. Why keep him around at all in any capacity? There will be vacancies for assistants at a few MAC schools - he needs to start interviewing.
 
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La Tech may have an opening for him to go back to after someone, not us I hope, hires away their successful coach.
 
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Dooley does not need to stay in any capacity. A new broom sweeps clean. And besides we can always get more orange pants, he can keep those as a parting gift, thanks for playing.
 
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OrangeByBirth said:
I understand that reading is tough for KY jelly folks. The point is that if Hart has not already done the leg work he, too, should be fired.
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Ironic post is ironic.

I said nothing about Hart. Must I explain myself twice? Dooley has shown reason he should be staying around (as a coach or in the AD).

Is that clear enough for you?
 
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LittleCat said:
Ironic post is ironic.

I said nothing about Hart. Must I explain myself twice? Dooley has shown reason he should be staying around (as a coach or in the AD).

Is that clear enough for you?
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I think Dooley would make a good AD. He knows how to talk to boosters. He just can not coach. You going to pay him 5 million any ways. Let the boosters hire a coach and Dooley be AD. And we are not going to get Gruden as a coach.
 
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rickyyrs said:
I think Dooley would make a good AD. He knows how to talk to boosters. He just can not coach. You going to pay him 5 million any ways. Let the boosters hire a coach and Dooley be AD. And we are not going to get Gruden as a coach.
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Even if he could be a good AD, you don't keep a coach who has done what Dooley has done. I just don't see how that helps the program. Like utvol said a A new broom sweeps clean.
 
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rickyyrs said:
I think Dooley would make a good AD. He knows how to talk to boosters. He just can not coach. You going to pay him 5 million any ways. Let the boosters hire a coach and Dooley be AD. And we are not going to get Gruden as a coach.
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I don't disagree that Dooley may make a decent AD, but just not here. We don't need anymore drama around the program and if he were moved into the AD office, that's all it would cause.

Let him earn his stripes at somewhere like La Tech since most of them thought he did a better job at that than coaching.
 
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Doug Matthews was on the radio yesterday morning.. He said this hire would solely be on Dave Hart with no input from Cheek.. Sounds as if Cheek has one foot out the door..

He went on to say even if Tennessee won out he saw no scenario where Dooley would return as coach.. Also mentioned that Dooley's people and Hart apparently have had preliminary discussions of a resign/ buyout deal maybe being reached..
 
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A really smart AD would NOT fire CDD until after he has the next coach ready to sign the contract and start recruiting.

Firing CDD before the next coach is ready to sign the contract will put AD Hart in an even worse situation because then the buyout must be paid to CDD even if we can't find any decent coach that wants to come to Tennessee.

If AD Hart can't find a really good coach then he'll have to settle for whoever he can get just like Hamilton did when we got CDD.

Firing CDD before we already have our new coach ready to go will also show that we're really desperate to get a coach on board so he can start recruiting and then all coaches being talked to can hold us hostage and make much higher demands than we might be willing to accept.

As long as CDD isn't fired that leaves AD Hart with the option of keeping CDD for 1 more year, saving $5 Million and giving himself and the big $$$ boosters alot more time to try and find the homerun hire we really, desperately need and to iron out a contract that's fair to both parties but isn't crazy that we can't accept no matter what.

This is a poker game folks and we can't tip our hand or put ourselves behind the 8 ball with few or zero options to fall back on.

It would be better to keep CDD for 1 more year than to get forced to settle for whoever we can get that will set us back 3 to 5 years or longer.

AD Hart simply MUST get this one done right because what happens could set us back for many years to come and because this WILL be Dave Harts hire and his job could be riding on it being the right hire too.

Big $$$ boosters could also handcuff AD Hart by not donating enough $$$ for the big homerun hire or they could hold him hostage by forcing him to get a new player dorm building and a middle of the road coach for cheaper money or not getting a new player dorm building and using all the money for the new coaching staff.

We badly need a new player dorm building to replace the 40 year old building we have now because that IS 1 thing that's hurting recruiting so AD Hart is going to have some very tough decisions to make and he just could get trapped between a rock and a hard spot if he's not really smart and careful about how he handles big boosters and coaching prospects.

It's going to be very interesting to see how this all plays out and what happens.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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This isn't Hart's first Rodeo. Unlike Hamilton, Hart has a great deal of experience as an AD. His lack of commentary on Dooley and the state of the football program makes me think he is spending his time putting a plan together. Our fan base can't handle a firing prior to the season's end without knowing who is next in line. We are already on the ledge. That would cause the jump. But the only way you can tell who is next in line is if that coach is not part of another team. I have a feeling a deal is done but it will not be announced until the season's end when the new coaches season is over. If we make it to a bowl(I can't believe I even said that), the new coach will be directing our team.
 
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Titan&Volfan4life said:
A really smart AD would NOT fire CDD until after he has the next coach ready to sign the contract and start recruiting.

Firing CDD before the next coach is ready to sign the contract will put AD Hart in an even worse situation because then the buyout must be paid to CDD even if we can't find any decent coach that wants to come to Tennessee.

If AD Hart can't find a really good coach then he'll have to settle for whoever he can get just like Hamilton did when we got CDD.

Firing CDD before we already have our new coach ready to go will also show that we're really desperate to get a coach on board so he can start recruiting and then all coaches being talked to can hold us hostage and make much higher demands than we might be willing to accept.

As long as CDD isn't fired that leaves AD Hart with the option of keeping CDD for 1 more year, saving $5 Million and giving himself and the big $$$ boosters alot more time to try and find the homerun hire we really, desperately need and to iron out a contract that's fair to both parties but isn't crazy that we can't accept no matter what.

This is a poker game folks and we can't tip our hand or put ourselves behind the 8 ball with few or zero options to fall back on.

It would be better to keep CDD for 1 more year than to get forced to settle for whoever we can get that will set us back 3 to 5 years or longer.

AD Hart simply MUST get this one done right because what happens could set us back for many years to come and because this WILL be Dave Harts hire and his job could be riding on it being the right hire too.

Big $$$ boosters could also handcuff AD Hart by not donating enough $$$ for the big homerun hire or they could hold him hostage by forcing him to get a new player dorm building and a middle of the road coach for cheaper money or not getting a new player dorm building and using all the money for the new coaching staff.

We badly need a new player dorm building to replace the 40 year old building we have now because that IS 1 thing that's hurting recruiting so AD Hart is going to have some very tough decisions to make and he just could get trapped between a rock and a hard spot if he's not really smart and careful about how he handles big boosters and coaching prospects.

It's going to be very interesting to see how this all plays out and what happens.

VFL...GBO!!!
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If you seriously believe that DD staying another year is in the best interest of the university, you have much to learn about donations and economics.
 
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Hope we get Gruden but think he will only be interested in NFL big money. I see us paying Strong 3.5- 4 million. Strong has done great job with Louisville and knows SEC very well.
 
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GmanTN said:
If you seriously believe that DD staying another year is in the best interest of the university, you have much to learn about donations and economics.
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Look up the term suppy and demand. That is like the economics 101 chapter 1 GmanTN
 
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RoanokeVol said:
I have a feeling a deal is done but it will not be announced until the season's end when the new coaches season is over.
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I think you are right. I hope you are right. That was the point of my original post to this thread -- it needs to happen out of the bright lights to do it right.
 
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rickyyrs said:
I think Dooley would make a good AD. He knows how to talk to boosters. He just can not coach. You going to pay him 5 million any ways. Let the boosters hire a coach and Dooley be AD. And we are not going to get Gruden as a coach.
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Disagree.

Part of his problem is him alienating some big time boosters and the common folk at caravan meetings.

You know the media in Knoxville, feeble as they are, have to hate him with his snide comments the past three years.

Plenty of complaints have come from the support staff in the AD.

The guy needs to stick with being a lawyer because everyone hates him anyway.
 
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