The Obama reelection strategy, a 3rd party.

[gsvol]

Articles: Americans Elect: Obama's Third-Party Tar Pit

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Anyone with the remotest interest in replacing Barack Obama as America's president in 2012 should take his eyes off Iowa and the boring ups and downs of the race for the Republican nomination.

The real action that may well decide our next president is quietly going on elsewhere, in the state offices that qualify candidates and parties for the November 2012 presidential ballot. You may not have heard much about a shadowy group called "Americans Elect" (it does not disclose its contributors because of alleged concerns that they might suffer loss of business or social contacts, and because it fancifully but only occasionally declares itself to be a 501[c] [4] tax-exempt organization [though it has qualified as a political party for ballot position in multiple states including Ohio, California, Nevada, and Arizona, which should deprive it of tax-exempt status]). But if you haven't heard of Americans Elect, you soon will.

Given the organization's original moneybags founder and current "chairman," Peter Ackerman (mega-rich Wall Street 2008 Obama supporter), its stated goals, and the nature of American politics, it bids fair to decide who will prevail for the presidency in 2012.
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In short, Americans Elect is like the Republicans and Democrats, but without their scrupulous honesty, openness, and transparency. What's not to like?

This "party" is in fact the reverse of a candidate or a movement -- it is an empty political vehicle formed for a candidate yet to be identified who will agree with the party's program to be determined later. Sound fishy yet?
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After qualifying for the ballot in all 50 states, Americans Elect will seek a candidate who will be tasked with grabbing a large portion of the independent, unaffiliated American middle and soft center-right, thereby tossing an otherwise lost cause to Obama. It is that simple.

For at least the last century, third-party candidates in American presidential politics have always hurt the right more than the left, because a larger percentage of the left's voters are joined at the hip with titanium screws to the Democratic Party.
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In short, Americans Elect's candidate, depending on who he is, could have particular appeal to the informationally challenged and easily confused middle in 2012.
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In 1992 Bill Clinton won the presidency with the bare Democrat Party core (43%), while weird little spoiler Ross Perot carved off 20% of the muddled middle, drawn overwhelmingly from potential Bush voters, leaving Papa Bush with 38%, scratching his head and looking for a job.

In the presidential election of 1912 -- which for most modern American voters might as well have occurred in the early Pleistocene --Democrat Woodrow Wilson soared to victory with 42% of the vote in the midst of an overwhelmingly Republican era, defeating sitting Republican President William Howard Taft, who got a mere 23% of the popular vote, while 27% went to spoiler Theodore Roosevelt.

Is this how Obama win will be guaranteed? Group with ties to president engaged in massive 3rd party drive. « Klein Online

A mysteriously funded, highly organized effort to secure the ballot for a third party candidate in this year’s election has ties to President Obama and top Democrats, KleinOnline has learned.

The group, calling itself Americans Elect, or AE, seems designed to appear like a massive, grassroots effort involving millions of citizens acting to draft a third party candidate.

However, the organization’s voting process has been called into question while there are concerns AE’s bylaws may allow the group’s own board members to bypass votes and nominate their own candidate.

AE describes itself as “a non-partisan, non-profit organization founded by Americans from across the political spectrum who are worried that our nation’s deep political divisions keep big problems from being solved.”

AE seeks to hold its own nominating convention on the Internet this June to select an independent presidential and vice-presidential candidate. The group says any registered voter can sign up to participate in the June convention.

AE has reportedly raised more than $22 million so far and has already been certified to be placed on the ballot in 12 states now, including California.

To getting on state ballots, AE evidenced mass organizing skills. The group says it collected over 2 million signatures nationwide in its effort to get on state ballots.

KleinOnline found that two of AE’s board members, Kellen Arno and Michael Arno, were paid by the group for helping to run the massive signature gathering drive via their firm, Arno Political Consultants.

Michael Arno is senior adviser to the Podesta Group lobbying and public relations firm, which was founded by John Podesta, who directed Obama’s transition into the White House in 2008.

Podesta is director of the Center for American Progress, which is reportedly highly influential in helping to craft White House policy.

A Time magazine article profiled the influence of Podesta’s Center for American Progress in the formation of the Obama administration, stating that “not since the Heritage Foundation helped guide Ronald Reagan’s transition in 1981 has a single outside group held so much sway.”
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Besides Ackerman, an Obama donor who gave money to help start AE, the advisory board includes Lawrence Lessig, an Obama technology adviser.

Lessig has been mentioned as a future candidate to head the Federal Communications Commission, the FCC. He is an activist for reduced legal restrictions on copyright material and advised Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign.

AE’s CEO, Kahlil Byrd, has drawn scrutiny from conservatives because he formerly served as Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick’s Communications Director. Patrick’s chief strategist was top Obama strategist David Axelrod.
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Lynn Forester de Rothschild, who is a prominent Hillary Clinton backer, is on the board, as is Doug Schoen, a former pollster and adviser to Bill Clinton.

 

[PKT_VOL]

Articles: Americans Elect: Obama's Third-Party Tar Pit

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Is this how Obama win will be guaranteed? Group with ties to president engaged in massive 3rd party drive. « Klein Online

I have been saying this for awhile.

Not sure about all the tin foil hat crap that you posted, but there is no doubt that Obama is pulling hard for a strong third party (Libertarian) candidate. I really do believe the presence (or lack thereof) of a strong third party candidate will be the biggest deciding factor of the 2012 Presidential Election if nothing crazy happens between now and then.

 

[therealUT]

I love the 'do not vote on principle' fear-mongering of this article.

 

[lawgator1]

Of course he'd like a third party candidate. Duh. How is that some sort of revelation ?

 

[gsvol]

Of course he'd like a third party candidate. Duh. How is that some sort of revelation ?

The revelation is that high level democrat stategists are attempting to form this third party and make it appear to be a grass roots movement.

Not that they don't do the same all the time on all sorts of issues.

I have been saying this for awhile.

Not sure about all the tin foil hat crap that you posted, but there is no doubt that Obama is pulling hard for a strong third party (Libertarian) candidate. I really do believe the presence (or lack thereof) of a strong third party candidate will be the biggest deciding factor of the 2012 Presidential Election if nothing crazy happens between now and then.

The same tactic ws used to elect the radical Clinton.

Ross Perot was a lifelong hardcore Democrat that made billions from favorable goverment contracts he obtained from the democrats he supported.

He ran on a third party ticket to pull votes from Bush one, when Perot pulled ahead of both Bush and Clinton in polls, Ross pulled out of the race with no explanation, when Bush went back ahead of Clinton in the polls, Perot jumped back in the race and pulled just enough votes to get his pal Clinton elected.

If you don't want to hear tin foil hat crap, don't be dishing out tin foil hat crap yourself.

 

[therealUT]

GS hates fiscal conservatives that are not focused on banning homosexuality and killing Muslims as much as he hates liberals.

Good job, GS. You continue to demonstrate that you want nothing more than a tyrannical government that supports your own values.

 

[PKT_VOL]

The same tactic ws used to elect the radical Clinton.

lol:

 

[KiffinKiller]

good lord.

 

[gsvol]

lol:

You should be laughing at unreal.

If you would read 'tragedy and hope' you might understand what I am saying.

 

[PKT_VOL]

You should be laughing at unreal.

If you would read 'tragedy and hope' you might understand what I am saying.

Instead of posting garbage that has nothing to do with my post, how about you enlighten us on how Clinton can be considered "radical". I am all ears.

 

[KiffinKiller]

he's a liberalllllL!

 

[lawgator1]

he's not a Republican

fyp

 

[n_huffhines]

If the R's were concerned about a 3rd party candidate ruining things then they should have invited Gary Johnson to the debates, and they should have done something to encourage the media to give more validity to Paul's camp. Not saying the latter is the R's duty, I'm just saying if Paul doesn't feel like he got a fair shake from the establishment media he may be inspired to run 3rd party.

 

[gsvol]

Instead of posting garbage that has nothing to do with my post, how about you enlighten us on how Clinton can be considered "radical". I am all ears.

His Balkan policy for one.

Clinton's radicalism dates back to the sixties when he enjoyed an extended visit to the Kremlin at the expense of the communist party.

Look at the radical Obama administration, it is filled with Clinton retreads.

Actually if you read the book as you say you have the intention, much of what I'm saying would be explained to you and you wouldn't say my post was 'garbage.'

 

[therealUT]

His Balkan policy for one.

Clinton's radicalism dates back to the sixties when he enjoyed an extended visit to the Kremlin at the expense of the communist party.

Look at the radical Obama administration, it is filled with Clinton retreads.

Actually if you read the book as you say you have the intention, much of what I'm saying would be explained to you and you wouldn't say my post was 'garbage.'

I would happily enjoy a stay in the Vatican at the expense of the Roman Catholic Church; I am not Catholic, though.

 

[PKT_VOL]

His Balkan policy for one.

Clinton's radicalism dates back to the sixties when he enjoyed an extended visit to the Kremlin at the expense of the communist party.

Look at the radical Obama administration, it is filled with Clinton retreads.

Actually if you read the book as you say you have the intention, much of what I'm saying would be explained to you and you wouldn't say my post was 'garbage.'

I would take that in a heart-beat.

As for that book, I don't have time nor the resources to read it. Feel free to summarize it if you so desire.

I would happily enjoy a stay in the Vatican at the expense of the Roman Catholic Church; I am not Catholic, though.

I would too.

 

[gsvol]

I would take that in a heart-beat.

As for that book, I don't have time nor the resources to read it. Feel free to summarize it if you so desire.



I would too.

It's about 1,400 pages in small print and covers a lot of territory. It may be on line somewhere if you are really interested.

Or remain ignorant because you don't have time to inform yourself.

The first time I visited the Vatican the Pope made the first impromtu appearence by a pope in over a half century.

People were crossing themselves and doing Tebows, I was waving and saying 'Hi guy' and the guy with me was going nuts saying I shouldn't be so irreverant but my reply was I put my pants on just like the pope did what was the difference?

My friend was a real straight guy who later on got an appointment to attend the Air Force Academy, I hope he did well, he was a real nice guy.

Later and after a few vinos we ran into a couple of 'the sisters of the poor' and when they asked me for a donation I directed them down to the Vatican where there was all kinds of gold and jewels and so forth and so my friend wasted a couple of hours trying to explain to me the difference to me between the sisters of the poor and the Vatican, I didn't get it.

Anyway, don't think this is some sort of diatribe against Catholics or Catholicism, recently we started a $4 mil addition to our little local hospital and $2 mil of that came from a women's Catholic organization, so I really don't have anything to say against them.

 

[KiffinKiller]

actually, Jesus helps the Pope with his pants every morning.