The Official Duke/UNC 2018/19 Basketball Thread!!!

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#501
05_never_again said:
Despite what a lot of people believe, there are always a lot of favorites this far into the tournament. For the most part, these tournaments go fairly close to the seeding. There are upsets - it's what makes this tournament great - but people misremember how often they occur beyond the first round. Only twenty-one 12 seeds have won a second round game ever. Only twenty-two 11 seeds have. Going purely off seeding, Oregon technically wasn't an upset because they were a 12 beating an 13.

A 9 and a 10 have only made it to the Final Four once; an 11 has surprisingly made it 4 times, but a 12-16 has never made it. More than 50% of the time, a 1 seed wins the championship.

Only nine 11 or 12 seeds, ever, have won a Sweet 16 game, but you hear people say stuff like you "need" to have a seed that high going that far in your bracket because of "the upsets." It's actually pretty rare.
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Exactly. That’s why I can miss on 9 opening round games, yet wind up with 15/16 of the Sweet Sixteen. First round can get a little wild, but order is typically restored by the Sweet Sixteen.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
ESPN
FS1
Etc.

Zion goes to piss and it’s breaking news.
They were exposed yesterday and escaped.
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Your use of hyperbole is noted.

Duke was exposed when Zion got hurt.

That’s when the world saw Barrett playing hero ball, Reddish’s shooting inconsistency, Tre Jones’ inability to make a shot outside of 10 feet, Jack White’s disappearing act, below average post play without Zion, and a lack of depth.

All that speaks to just how great Zion is. God forbid anyone says as much, or the Duke haters come out in full force. 😂
 
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ArmchairQB said:
Call it a hook and hold or not, but on Zion's point after miss, Javin DeLaurier (12) for Duke had the arm of UCF's Collin Smith (35), and he didn't let it go until the entire sequence of Barrett's putback was done with. Is no-call the right choice when UCF's leading rebounder for the game boxes out but can't get his arm up? I won't go so far as to say UCF deserved to win the game, but they deserved to be shooting free throws with the lead at 14 seconds.

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Aren't hook and hold's reviewable even if they are missed? Why was this not reviewed, it is because they didn't call it and Duke then scored, so nothing can be done at that point?
 
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volwindy said:
Aren't hook and hold's reviewable even if they are missed? Why was this not reviewed, it is because they didn't call it and Duke then scored, so nothing can be done at that point?
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You got me. As many times as I've seen stoppages to see what is or isn't there, this certainly would have merited a look. Here's an even better capture of what it looked like:

 
#505
#505
Lawrence Wright said:
Your use of hyperbole is noted.

Duke was exposed when Zion got hurt.

That’s when the world saw Barrett playing hero ball, Reddish’s shooting inconsistency, Tre Jones’ inability to make a shot outside of 10 feet, Jack White’s disappearing act, below average post play without Zion, and a lack of depth.

All that speaks to just how great Zion is. God forbid anyone says as much, or the Duke haters come out in full force. 😂
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For the record I never said he wasn’t good. I simply said don’t proclaim him better than guys who have played in the nba. On first take first cup of coffee or whatever it is Nick said “ right now he’s better than Lebron” if one guy could switch and play football it would be Zion and he’d be great. First he makes a ridiculous comment about basket and then he takes it even further and says he’d immediately be good at football. Both comments are ridiculous and completely homer.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
For the record I never said he wasn’t good. I simply said don’t proclaim him better than guys who have played in the nba. On first take first cup of coffee or whatever it is Nick said “ right now he’s better than Lebron” if one guy could switch and play football it would be Zion and he’d be great. First he makes a ridiculous comment about basket and then he takes it even further and says he’d immediately be good at football. Both comments are ridiculous and completely homer.
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So because Nick Wright has an opinion, that means what exactly?

Because up to this point, the majority of opinions I’ve heard about Zion has been he’s the clear cut #1 pick, he’s an athletic freak like we’ve never seen before, but his game is far from perfect for the next level.
 
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ArmchairQB said:
You got me. As many times as I've seen stoppages to see what is or isn't there, this certainly would have merited a look. Here's an even better capture of what it looked like:

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The interesting part about that particular call is that you don't really even need to see it live to get it called properly. Ive seen more instances where a review was asked for to see than officials actually stopping play on their own to review it. Based on history, that was the textbook definition.

Its a "point of emphasis" until it doesn't need to be.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
So because Nick Wright has an opinion, that means what exactly?

Because up to this point, the majority of opinions I’ve heard about Zion has been he’s the clear cut #1 pick, he’s an athletic freak like we’ve never seen before, but his game is far from perfect for the next level.
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It’s a ridiculous comparison even you know that
 
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Dudleys87 said:
It’s a ridiculous comparison even you know that
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Never said it wasn’t a ridiculous comparison.

I also think that particular opinion is the exception and not the rule, and any praise for Zion gets for what he’s done at Duke is more than warranted.

He’s guaranteed nothing at the next level.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
So because Nick Wright has an opinion, that means what exactly?

Because up to this point, the majority of opinions I’ve heard about Zion has been he’s the clear cut #1 pick, he’s an athletic freak like we’ve never seen before, but his game is far from perfect for the next level.
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There's definitely a view out there that if Zion is anything less than a franchise-changing superstar, it's a disappointment. If he comes into the league and he's just a "nice player," a guy who has a long career, maybe makes All-Star teams, but doesn't become a top 3-5 player in the league, many will be underwhelmed.

He isn't being hyped quite like LeBron was, but those are pretty high expectations. It seems like he needs to at least be a perennial All-Star who singlehandedly changes the fortunes of a franchise for many years.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Never said it wasn’t a ridiculous comparison.

I also think that particular opinion is the exception and not the rule, and any praise for Zion gets for what he’s done at Duke is more than warranted.

He’s guaranteed nothing at the next level.
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That’s true which goes back to my original point. He’s not Lebron so let’s not go that far yet. His height, weight, and body type is extremely identical. If we’re being honest that’s were it ends right now other than the obvious stuff. He’s not a shooter by his own criticisms.
 
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#512
Boca Vol said:
I hate the term "Chalk" and I'm not sure of the origin but I can't recall a tournament that went this close to the seeding. Only 12 seed Oregon has crashed the party other that 5 seed Auburn. Other than that it's 1-4 seeds.
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First time ever all 16 betting favorites won in round of 32
 
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#514
05_never_again said:
There's definitely a view out there that if Zion is anything less than a franchise-changing superstar, it's a disappointment. If he comes into the league and he's just a "nice player," a guy who has a long career, maybe makes All-Star teams, but doesn't become a top 3-5 player in the league, many will be underwhelmed.

He isn't being hyped quite like LeBron was, but those are pretty high expectations. It seems like he needs to at least be a perennial All-Star who singlehandedly changes the fortunes of a franchise for many years.
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I don't think anybody is expecting him to be the best player in the league, though they recognize the potential is there. Half of the excitement has to do with the dunks and the fact that we've never seen an athlete like him. Barring injury, he should at least be Blake Griffin. I would be completely shocked if someday we are saying he wasn't worth a #1 pick.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I don't think anybody is expecting him to be the best player in the league, though they recognize the potential is there. Half of the excitement has to do with the dunks and the fact that we've never seen an athlete like him. Barring injury, he should at least be Blake Griffin. I would be completely shocked if someday we are saying he wasn't worth a #1 pick.
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Said it much better than I did.

Funny how the extreme opinions drown out the reasonable ones. Outside of the Nick Wright take someone posted, I haven’t heard anyone saying Zion will be better than Lebron.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Said it much better than I did.

Funny how the extreme opinions drown out the reasonable ones. Outside of the Nick Wright take someone posted, I haven’t heard anyone saying Zion will be better than Lebron.
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Not better, but there's definitely a feeling out there that Zion could be a franchise-changing playing like LeBron is. Definitely a lot of "best prospect since LeBron."
 
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#517
05_never_again said:
Not better, but there's definitely a feeling out there that Zion could be a franchise-changing playing like LeBron is. Definitely a lot of "best prospect since LeBron."
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“Best prospect since LeBron” (and i usually hear “most exciting,” not “best”) does not mean “as good as LeBron.” Not even close.
 
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#518
The best prospect since LeBron is probably Anthony Davis, and he’s not as good as LeBron either. LeBron is one of the two or three best players ever; no one can credibly project that any high school or college player will be on that level.
 
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#519
Most of what I’ve read is all about calling Zion a marketing gold mine and a franchise changer from that angle. Which is completely different than trying to compare him to Lebron. Only comparison I’ve heard was that he’s an athletic Barkley
 
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#520
#520
Really, what happens is this:

- Player (whether LeBron, Zion, Curry, whoever) does ridiculous things on a basketball court
- People like watching athletes make ridiculous plays
- ESPN shows said ridiculous plays because that’s why we watch sports
- People complain about ESPN showing the most exciting players and start hating them

It almost doesn’t matter who the player is. It happens every time. Jordan is lucky he played before coverage was this comprehensive.
 
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#521
NashVol11 said:
“Best prospect since LeBron” (and i usually hear “most exciting,” not “best”) does not mean “as good as LeBron.” Not even close.
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Oh come on, they clearly are saying that wanting people to make the association. It's the only reason to bring LeBron's name up in a comparison.
 
#525
#525
05_never_again said:
Oh come on, they clearly are saying that wanting people to make the association. It's the only reason to bring LeBron's name up in a comparison.
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I get what you’re saying, in that they choose “best since LeBron/AD” rather than “better than Ben Simmons” because it draws more eyeballs, but they still mean the same thing. It still doesn’t mean he’s as good as LeBron/AD and the people making those statements are well aware of that.
 
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