The Oil Bubble?

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Something for you to be optimistic about... or not. Seems like some over optimistic analysis.

Deal Journal - WSJ.com : The Oil Bubble: Mergers Ahead?

While rising oil prices have yielded fat profits, the future may not be that bright. Lehman Brothers Holdings wrote in a research report last month about the integrated oil industry that it believes “we have already transitioned to a down cycle that could last through the end of the decade. We anticipate that the sector will continue its downward trend through the summer and will exit the year below its recent lows.”

Stock prices already have been taking a hit. Oppenheimer analyst Fadel Gheit recently noted that shares of the major oil companies are down 9% this year, with ConocoPhillips down more than 11% and Marathon Oil down 23%. The S&P 500 is down 7%.

Lower profit margins, inefficiencies, dipping stock prices: It looks like the perfect brew of what investment bankers cite as the key elements predating a merger boom.
 
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Do we need more refineries?

Fitch Ratings recently wrote that refineries are running at around 82% of capacity; Valero Energy’s gasoline-making units were running at just 73% of capacity.

:question:
 
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More optimism???

CrossingWallStreet.com: The Oil Bubble

In fact, demand is falling in some countries. According to economist John Kemp at the commodities firm Sempra Metals, the U.S. consumed 4 percent less petroleum in January 2008 than it did the year before. Evans agrees, noting that the U.S. demand for petroleum products began falling off last July. Interestingly, this drop in U.S. oil consumption began before crude prices turned vertical and before we began to see weakness in the broader economy. Even China's thirst for oil is abating somewhat. Its demand for oil, which once rose at 10 percent per year, has now dropped to 6 percent per year. In addition, world surplus oil production capacity has gone from a very tight 1.5 million barrels per day a couple of years ago to more than 3 million barrels today, says petroleum economist Michael Lynch.


I know... I'm reaching for good news.
 
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thank goodness for nancy. :whistling:
 
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So if that's the case why is the price steadily climbing? Because we are too dumb to figure it out?

I have an energy services mutual fund that has grown 38%. Seems like there is either a herd mentality driving this price up or maybe the profits have actually been that great from oil companies? Not really sure I can put my arms around it, but I guess my concern is that nothing lasts forever, and I'm concerned (slightly concerned anyway) that just like the dotcom boom, we may be driving towards that cliff where oil prices plunge and the stock price of these companies falls, also.
 
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the price has remained high because of the production risk inherent to the oil industry since it's primarily situated in the ME. The news media has helped some and the speculators have gone nuts.
 
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I have an energy services mutual fund that has grown 38%. Seems like there is either a herd mentality driving this price up or maybe the profits have actually been that great from oil companies? Not really sure I can put my arms around it, but I guess my concern is that nothing lasts forever, and I'm concerned (slightly concerned anyway) that just like the dotcom boom, we may be driving towards that cliff where oil prices plunge and the stock price of these companies falls, also.

well i definetly think the oil price is a bubble, but the large cap companies (i.e. xom, cvx, etc) aren't trading anywhere near dotcom type valuations. Mostly because their refining margins stink and that is keeping the earnings expectations low. I'd sell a commodities fund immediately, but not a energy stock fund. You might want to look at the holdings of the fund and see how speculative the stocks are.
 
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the price has remained high because of the production risk inherent to the oil industry since it's primarily situated in the ME. The news media has helped some and the speculators have gone nuts.

it's the old situation with the speculators. you start making huge money with a bet and you load up more and more. Kind of like when you are winning on blackjack. I'm convinced if we just say a $4 or $5 drop in a few days we could see massive covering of positions and see the price drop into the $80s. Of course i've been saying that for about a month now. :dunno:
 
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it's the old situation with the speculators. you start making huge money with a bet and you load up more and more. Kind of like when you are winning on blackjack. I'm convinced if we just say a $4 or $5 drop in a few days we could see massive covering of positions and see the price drop into the $80s. Of course i've been saying that for about a month now. :dunno:

Don't give up hope!
 
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well i definetly think the oil price is a bubble, but the large cap companies (i.e. xom, cvx, etc) aren't trading anywhere near dotcom type valuations. Mostly because their refining margins stink and that is keeping the earnings expectations low. I'd sell a commodities fund immediately, but not a energy stock fund. You might want to look at the holdings of the fund and see how speculative the stocks are.

Well, it's an energy services mutual fund, so they mainly deal with Schlumberger, Halliburton, Baker Hughes, etc. I was figuring that if oil prices drop, that would probably directly affect the amount of work done by the service companies.
 
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not really. generally it's demand for oil that affects their revenues. a slowing economy could definetly hurt their business, but even though they might trade with the oil price their earnings are based on demand for drilling. but obviously generally a higher oil price means a higher demand for oil, so thta is why they typically trade with the oil price.
 

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