The "People's Budget" from Progressive Caucus

[utgibbs]

I think we are all aware the Ryan's budget proposal is a rehash of Welfare-Dad neoliberal policies, anti-democratic, and, in truth, just plain silly. It is simply wealth transfer from the middle class to elite economic power, often not even American economic interests.

Interestingly, the Progressive Caucus in Congress has proposed a "People's Budget." Naturally, you aren't going to hear much about this, even though it is guided by exactly what the vast majority of Americans want:

Rep Raul Grijalva: We have tracked every public opinion poll. And the American people want gas and oil subsidies (utgibbs: ~35bn per annum) to be cut. They want the rich and the corporations to pay taxes. They want military spending cut. And so, as we listen to the American people, our budget reflects that listening and really deserves a voice and deserves some attention. We are going to do our best between now and voting time to make sure we get our message out that there is a choice out there, that we’ve listened to the American people, and we don’t have to half-step a budget solution. We can take a bold step that the American people want.

It will be hard to find details, of course, because or our democracy (sic). However, just on the surface, sounds much more like an emergency budget - a budget to reel in spending and raise revenues. I should add, they are putting a public option back on the health care debate to address spiralling costs - another absolute key in any budget debate.

Thoughts?

 

[GAVol]

Transferring "wealth" from the middle class? You're going to need to explain that concept to me.

 

[BigPapaVol]

Transferring "wealth" from the middle class? You're going to need to explain that concept to me.

It's just something "we all know" and that the "people want."
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[Cartervol]

At least under those cuts there might still be a middle class. None of them are perfect , but i like Ryan's better than the 5 dollars Obama wants to cut out.

 

[BigPapaVol]

At least under those cuts there might still be a middle class. None of them are perfect , but i like Ryan's better than the 5 dollars Obama wants to cut out.

Decrying entitlement cuts is exactly the BS politics game that the OP is too silly to acknowledge as problematic.
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[VolsNSkinsFan]

Obama: GOP tried to "sneak" agenda into budget - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

In what he thought was a private chat with campaign donors Thursday evening, President Obama offered the most revealing behind-the-scenes account to date of his budget negotiations with GOP leaders last week.



CBS Radio News White House correspondent Mark Knoller listened in to an audio feed of Mr. Obama's conversation with donors after other reporters traveling with the president had left the room.


In the candid remarks, Mr. Obama complains of Republican attempts to attach measures to the budget bill which would have effectively killed parts of his hard-won health care reform program.


"I said, 'You want to repeal health care? Go at it. We'll have that debate. You're not going to be able to do that by nickel-and-diming me in the budget. You think we're stupid?'" recalled the president of his closed-door negotiations on the bill to fund the federal government until September.

 

[MG1968]

can't get anything past Obama, he's sharper than a bowl full of spaghettio-os.

 

[Cartervol]

Health care reform wasn't hard won, it was forced down our throats. Only thing Obama wants to do is tax the sheet out of everyone so they can keep on spending. He's giving Jimmy a run for worst President of all time.

 

[utgibbs]

Transferring "wealth" from the middle class? You're going to need to explain that concept to me.

Touche.

Transferring money.

I can see how the sewing-circle has PM'ed each other at last night's cross-stitch forum. And it's good to see y'all understand perfectly how the "ownership society" really works.

 

[BeecherVol]

I think we are all aware the Ryan's budget proposal is a rehash of Welfare-Dad neoliberal policies, anti-democratic, and, in truth, just plain silly. It is simply wealth transfer from the middle class to elite economic power, often not even American economic interests.

Interestingly, the Progressive Caucus in Congress has proposed a "People's Budget." Naturally, you aren't going to hear much about this, even though it is guided by exactly what the vast majority of Americans want:



It will be hard to find details, of course, because or our democracy (sic). However, just on the surface, sounds much more like an emergency budget - a budget to reel in spending and raise revenues. I should add, they are putting a public option back on the health care debate to address spiralling costs - another absolute key in any budget debate.

Thoughts?

Why ask.

 

[utgibbs]

Decrying entitlement cuts is exactly the BS politics game that the OP is too silly to acknowledge as problematic.
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Show me where they are a problem.

 

[utgibbs]

Why ask.

If you don't want to run with the big dogs....

I'll have my opinion to be sure. Surely that shouldn't scare anyone. I wanted to gauge reaction of people who don't agree with me. I was also looking to see if anyone rushed to defend the Ryan proposals anymore.

Again, if your opinion is supported by facts from the real world, what is there to fear?

 

[BeecherVol]

If you don't want to run with the big dogs....

I'll have my opinion to be sure. Surely that shouldn't scare anyone. I wanted to gauge reaction of people who don't agree with me. I was also looking to see if anyone rushed to defend the Ryan proposals anymore.

Again, if your opinion is supported by facts from the real world, what is there to fear?

Has nothing to do with dogs or any other animal of your choice.

Im sure you have gotten most thoughts on the subject by now. Just wonder why you think the opinions are any different.

 

[Cartervol]

How do you transfer wealth from the middle class? Isn't that why they're middle class in the first place?

 

[joevol320]

you must live a miserable life gibbs. the fact is that if we don't cut our debt, we're screwed. your class warfare will not help our economy. you really should take an economics class.

 

[joevol320]

How do you transfer wealth from the middle class? Isn't that why they're middle class in the first place?

the wealthy has taken all the money from the poor and going at the middle class.

I'm still trying to fire out how the rich take money from the poor, even though they use all that money to hire people to work.

Gibbs, why don't you explain how the rich take money from the middle class and poor

 

[Cartervol]

the wealthy has taken all the money from the poor and going at the middle class.

I'm still trying to fire out how the rich take money from the poor, even though they use all that money to hire people to work.

Gibbs, why don't you explain how the rich take money from the middle class and poor

There are some cases where people are poor because of bad luck or they may have some sort of disability, mentally or physically those people i have no problem with. The ones who are poor because they're lazy i have no sympathy for nor do i think the tax payers are obligated to take care of them.

Reform welfare while they're at it. Make it work fare and not easy work either. No one should get a free ride, this goes for health care too. The Obama care crap is nothing more than a huge train wreck waiting to happen. It will bankrupt this country. I'm not real sure that wasn't the goal to begin with.

Our government is lazy and they really never get right to the root of the problem. They're spin doctors that talk around a problem. Really it's just failure on a huge scale and it's sad what they're doing to a once great nation.

Career Politicians and big government are two things i'd like to see reduced, save us a butt load of money.

 

[utgibbs]

Touche.

Transferring money.

I can see how the sewing-circle has PM'ed each other at last night's cross-stitch forum. And it's good to see y'all understand perfectly how the "ownership society" really works.

How do you transfer wealth from the middle class? Isn't that why they're middle class in the first place?

It's great to know the sewing circle knows exactly how the "ownership society" works. :good!:

 

[utgibbs]

the wealthy has taken all the money from the poor and going at the middle class.

I'm still trying to fire out how the rich take money from the poor, even though they use all that money to hire people to work.

Gibbs, why don't you explain how the rich take money from the middle class and poor

Here's just one way:

Here are some results:

Another great way is to tax regressively (check, and don't start with the income tax being progressive. Only in a simple and transparent system) and then spend that money on the military-corporate complex.

Another way is to implement neoliberal policies which do not penalize capital flight nor impose tariffs (the best kind of consumption tax):

At the end of the day though, we are going through another round of monopoly capital again, after breaking it up in the first half of the century. This is what capitalism does.

 

[VolDad]

...want the rich and the corporations to pay taxes. They want military spending cut. And so, as we listen to ?...

The rich already pay 40% of the taxes.

Corporations don't pay taxes. It is an expense that they pass on to the end consumer.

 

[utvolpj]

The rich already pay 40% of the taxes.

Corporations don't pay taxes. It is an expense that they pass on the the end consumer.

shhh the vast majority of Americans want corps to pay more taxes so they can't be wrong

 

[VolDad]

...., even though it is guided by exactly what the vast majority of Americans want:...

That is why the founding fathers made us a "Republic" and not a "Democracy" (mob rule).

 

[VolDad]

Here are some results:

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As a general statement - The rich keep getting richer because they continue doing the things that made them rich; the poor keep getting poorer because they continue doing the things that made them poor.

 

[volinbham]

I'm pissed cuz I missed the sewing circle last night. Thanks a lot guys.

 

[volinbham]

As a general statement - The rich keep getting richer because they continue doing the things that made them rich; the poor keep getting poorer because they continue doing the things that made them poor.

Some of the rich are now middle class, some of the poor are now rich, etc. etc.