The Problems with Trans-ideology

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VolTull said:
There's no problem with trans except the one that you have created in your mind driven by your hate of them.
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The data says otherwise. Autism, schizophrenia, psychosis, etc

Those aren’t correlations that were created in my mind but rather things that are based on hard data
 
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VolTull said:
Determining that trans is a mental illness is a perfect statement on the hated in society that some have of trans.
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So, to be clear, you do or you don't believe mental illness or disorders manifests itself in transgenderism in any way? As long as someone says they are trans, are they, regardless of assigned genitalia, organs, testosterone or estrogen levels? I will say, for those few that are truly born somewhere in between a specific gender that occurred in utero, I have a lot of empathy. That would certainly be very difficult to deal with.
 
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Vol8188 said:
The data says otherwise. Autism, schizophrenia, psychosis, etc

Those aren’t correlations that were created in my mind but rather things that are based on hard data
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Attempting to draw conclusions from "correlations" is absolutely something you do creatively in your own mind
 
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Vol737 said:
So, to be clear, you do or you don't believe mental illness or disorders manifests itself in transgenderism in any way?
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If you asking if trans can be the source of issues in a trans, the answer is yes. Transphobia has no single, simple manifestation. It is complex and can include a range of behaviors and arguments. The consequence of transphobia is that trans people struggle to live openly and comfortably in society.

As evidenced in this thread, an ultimate outcome may be the erasure of trans people as a viable class of people.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Attempting to draw conclusions from "correlations" is absolutely something you do creatively in your own mind
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Drawing conclusions from correlations is what a large amount of science is based on. Essentially the entire fields of nutrition and psychology are based on correlation because we can’t set up double blind studies were we beat people for 10 years and see how they turn out or only feed them sugar and record the data.

So knock correlations all you want, but it’s still valid science.
 
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VolTull said:
www.lgbthero.org.uk

Transgender: Back to Basics

Let's get back to basics. Want to know the difference between gender identity and gender expression? Get confused between sex and gender? This page is for you!
www.lgbthero.org.uk www.lgbthero.org.uk
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In no way did that answer the question. Can you summarize what specifically in this piece answers that question in your own words?
 
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Vol8188 said:
That’s interesting. What makes them trans if not merely there on personal claim?
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I’m curious about this one as well.

There is no test for sexual orientation. One simply knows who they are attracted to.

You can certainly test for biological gender, but the entire premise of Trans is that the biological gender in question is in error.

If someone tells me they are Trans - I will likely believe them. But I don’t know how you would test for that.
 
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hog88 said:
100% true.

Would you consider a person that feels like a paraplegic mentally ill if they wanted to surgically cripple themselves?
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Happiness is difficult to find in this life. I support anyone seeking it out in their own way, as long as they don’t harm others.

If you have Body Identity Dysphoria, feel you were born “wrong” with a functioning left leg, and would be happier and more fulfilled with it removed - I will support you.

If you are of legal age.
If you can source the procedure.
If you can pay for the procedure.

I’ll support your decision to remove your functional left leg.
 
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In what other domain do we say "If I feel like X, then I am X?"

We don't say it with race, species, or age. Philosophically, that's what I struggle with. A white person isn't black because he feels black. If someone feels like a cat, they're not a cat. If someone feels like an octagenarian they're not an octagenarian. So why do we make the exception with gender? Would love for someone to explain to me why we can't have trans racial people, but can have transgender, especially when there's much more of a genetic basis for gender than race.
 
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evillawyer said:
In what other domain do we say "If I feel like X, then I am X?"

We don't say it with race, species, or age. Philosophically, that's what I struggle with. A white person isn't black because he feels black. If someone feels like a cat, they're not a cat. If someone feels like an octagenarian they're not an octagenarian. So why do we make the exception with gender? Would love for someone to explain to me why we can't have trans racial people, but can have transgender, especially when there's much more of a genetic basis for gender than race.
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I don’t claim to understand it. I don’t. But I don’t believe my understanding is required.

They’re just people, looking for a little joy in this life. Most of them, I imagine.

Let them be, so long as they aren’t harming others. No special treatment or privileges though. They are entitled to live by the same rules as the rest of us.
 
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evillawyer said:
In what other domain do we say "If I feel like X, then I am X?"

We don't say it with race, species, or age. Philosophically, that's what I struggle with. A white person isn't black because he feels black. If someone feels like a cat, they're not a cat. If someone feels like an octagenarian they're not an octagenarian. So why do we make the exception with gender? Would love for someone to explain to me why we can't have trans racial people, but can have transgender, especially when there's much more of a genetic basis for gender than race.
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VolTull said:
If you asking if trans can be the source of issues in a trans, the answer is yes. Transphobia has no single, simple manifestation. It is complex and can include a range of behaviors and arguments. The consequence of transphobia is that trans people struggle to live openly and comfortably in society.

As evidenced in this thread, an ultimate outcome may be the erasure of trans people as a viable class of people.
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You're well aware that was not my question. The deflection to "transphobia" shows there's not an honest acknowledgment in the role existing mental issues play in many people who claim they are trans when they are not.
 
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85SugarVol said:
I don’t claim to understand it. I don’t. But I don’t believe my understanding is required.

They’re just people, looking for a little joy in this life. Most of them, I imagine.

Let them be, so long as they aren’t harming others. No special treatment or privileges though. They are entitled to live by the same rules as the rest of us.
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I am 100% behind treating people with respect. If they want to be called he or she, or her or him, I'll be respectful and call them whatever they prefer. But I don't agree with the idea that we're not just calling them a boy or girl l, but that they actually ARE a boy or girl. A person's preference does not shape reality. So if you ask me to truthfully report what gender a transgender man is I will say female.
 
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evillawyer said:
I am 100% behind treating people with respect. If they want to be called he or she, or her or him, I'll be respectful and call them whatever they prefer. But I don't agree with the idea that we're not just calling them a boy or girl l, but that they actually ARE a boy or girl. A person's preference does not shape reality. So if you ask me to truthfully report what gender a transgender man is I will say female.
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I gotta be honest, totally surprised you're using logic on this 👀😁
 
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85SugarVol said:
Happiness is difficult to find in this life. I support anyone seeking it out in their own way, as long as they don’t harm others.

If you have Body Identity Dysphoria, feel you were born “wrong” with a functioning left leg, and would be happier and more fulfilled with it removed - I will support you.

If you are of legal age.
If you can source the procedure.
If you can pay for the procedure.

I’ll support your decision to remove your functional left leg.
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That would then make that person eligible for disability....and not working. Would voluntarily disabling yourself disqualify them from ssdi?
 
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evillawyer said:
In what other domain do we say "If I feel like X, then I am X?"

We don't say it with race, species, or age. Philosophically, that's what I struggle with. A white person isn't black because he feels black. If someone feels like a cat, they're not a cat. If someone feels like an octagenarian they're not an octagenarian. So why do we make the exception with gender? Would love for someone to explain to me why we can't have trans racial people, but can have transgender, especially when there's much more of a genetic basis for gender than race.
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The problem is, unlike many on the left, you believe in universal truth. Once you remove that from your brain, the world is your oyster. Men are women, white is black, it all becomes possible
 
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Vol8188 said:
The problem is, unlike many on the left, you believe in universal truth. Once your remove that from your brain, the world is your oyster. Men are women, white is black, it all becomes possible
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Funny thing is that if the left accepts the current line of thought.."I can be anything i feel" then Elizabeth Warren is an Indian and Santos did indeed have a degree from that university...basically takes away all truth and replaces it with lies
 
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