The QB - or the system?

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With the NFL draft approaching, I know that we are all routing for Hendon Hooker!.... But, he was a bench-warmer in Virginia Tech's "system". So, what is more important? The QB - or "The System"? The transition from NCAA to NFL puts the spot-light on the QB more than any other position. Peyton Manning definitely showed that it was the QB: He brought the Colts out of the NFL cellar, went to 4 Super-Bowls, and even lifted the Broncos at the end of his career..... But, then look at Tim Tebow: It was "the system" in college that made him successful. -- Which became pretty evident when he went to the NFL. Tebow, Weurffel, and even Steve Spurrier all won "the HEIST-MAN" playing within the college "system" - They all sucked in the NFL! Even Spurrier's coaching "system" sucked in the NFL! There have been many elite college QB's that were NFL busts..... Because the "system" that they came from was not made for the NFL. (Plus, the college game has pretty-much been played differently.) I think that Joe Burrow had a bit of both: QB talent AND a good "system" - and he remains relevant in the NFL. With Patrick Mahomes, it is Definitely the QB. -Nobody can make their way out of trouble like he can!.... Then you have someone like Tom Brady: I know the guy has a lot of talent, but Bellichek's "system" made up for a lot of his deficiencies.... I just don't see him rising to greatness if he was drafted by the Colts.... Now, all the media seems to be on the Will Levis band-wagon. -- Just because he played in a "pro-style" offense doesn't mean that he was GOOD at it! (Or will be....) Time will tell - but NFL managers aren't ones for patience. Go Hendon! and Go VOLS! -- Any Thoughts?????
 
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EverythingOrange said:
But, he was a bench-warmer in Virginia Tech's "system".
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I'll take bad takes by uninformed posters for $500, Alex.

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I mean, he was an underclassmen while at Virginia Tech. Hooker worked in Heupel's system, yes, but that's not to say he is a system qb. He has exceptional decision-making skills, can make all the throws, and has pocket awareness. In other words, he'd work in pretty much any system he was placed in.
 
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A QB's mechanics is not a product of any system. Tebow's mechanics were deemed not NFL worthy, even though he won a few games. Hooker has good mechanics and he has the experience to play in two different offenses in college which in my opinion gives him a greater understanding of the position as he heads into the NFL. I wont be surprised if he is selected in the top 15 today.
 
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EverythingOrange said:
With the NFL draft approaching, I know that we are all routing for Hendon Hooker!.... But, he was a bench-warmer in Virginia Tech's "system". So, what is more important? The QB - or "The System"? The transition from NCAA to NFL puts the spot-light on the QB more than any other position. Peyton Manning definitely showed that it was the QB: He brought the Colts out of the NFL cellar, went to 4 Super-Bowls, and even lifted the Broncos at the end of his career..... But, then look at Tim Tebow: It was "the system" in college that made him successful. -- Which became pretty evident when he went to the NFL. Tebow, Weurffel, and even Steve Spurrier all won "the HEIST-MAN" playing within the college "system" - They all sucked in the NFL! Even Spurrier's coaching "system" sucked in the NFL! There have been many elite college QB's that were NFL busts..... Because the "system" that they came from was not made for the NFL. (Plus, the college game has pretty-much been played differently.) I think that Joe Burrow had a bit of both: QB talent AND a good "system" - and he remains relevant in the NFL. With Patrick Mahomes, it is Definitely the QB. -Nobody can make their way out of trouble like he can!.... Then you have someone like Tom Brady: I know the guy has a lot of talent, but Bellichek's "system" made up for a lot of his deficiencies.... I just don't see him rising to greatness if he was drafted by the Colts.... Now, all the media seems to be on the Will Levis band-wagon. -- Just because he played in a "pro-style" offense doesn't mean that he was GOOD at it! (Or will be....) Time will tell - but NFL managers aren't ones for patience. Go Hendon! and Go VOLS! -- Any Thoughts?????
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that was a really long post
 
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I actually think it is both the player and the system. Steve's system made QB's look good just like Heupel's does. The difference with Hooker is that he has the mechanics, can throw the deep ball that Tebow never could. Hooker is also mature, is willing to listen and learn. I think the training that Hooker got from our coaches puts him in a great place IF he gets to go to a team that can let him sit for a year and learn (like the Titans can).

Edit: I read somewhere that Huepel's system lets the WR read the DB, and based on what the DB does changes the route tree for the WR. That means the QB must also read the DB decide which route his WR is going to take before the WR takes the route and deliver the ball in stride.
 
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EverythingOrange said:
With the NFL draft approaching, I know that we are all routing for Hendon Hooker!.... But, he was a bench-warmer in Virginia Tech's "system". So, what is more important? The QB - or "The System"? The transition from NCAA to NFL puts the spot-light on the QB more than any other position. Peyton Manning definitely showed that it was the QB: He brought the Colts out of the NFL cellar, went to 4 Super-Bowls, and even lifted the Broncos at the end of his career..... But, then look at Tim Tebow: It was "the system" in college that made him successful. -- Which became pretty evident when he went to the NFL. Tebow, Weurffel, and even Steve Spurrier all won "the HEIST-MAN" playing within the college "system" - They all sucked in the NFL! Even Spurrier's coaching "system" sucked in the NFL! There have been many elite college QB's that were NFL busts..... Because the "system" that they came from was not made for the NFL. (Plus, the college game has pretty-much been played differently.) I think that Joe Burrow had a bit of both: QB talent AND a good "system" - and he remains relevant in the NFL. With Patrick Mahomes, it is Definitely the QB. -Nobody can make their way out of trouble like he can!.... Then you have someone like Tom Brady: I know the guy has a lot of talent, but Bellichek's "system" made up for a lot of his deficiencies.... I just don't see him rising to greatness if he was drafted by the Colts.... Now, all the media seems to be on the Will Levis band-wagon. -- Just because he played in a "pro-style" offense doesn't mean that he was GOOD at it! (Or will be....) Time will tell - but NFL managers aren't ones for patience. Go Hendon! and Go VOLS! -- Any Thoughts?????
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Levis isn’t going to perform at a high level in the NFL - just makes bad decisions under pressure.
HH is gonna be fine, just fine.
Go Vols!
 
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VT sucked, no player development, no talent at WR, bad O line. VT fans though for some reason think Hendon sucks and Fuente had to dumb the playbook down for him because he couldn't read defenses. Funny, Fuente got fired because he sucked yet VT fans can't see it. They still to this day swear Hendon wasn't good then and still isn't. I love up here about 15 mins from VT and I just laugh at all of them.
 
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OrngeJuiceJones said:
VT sucked, no player development, no talent at WR, bad O line. VT fans though for some reason think Hendon sucks and Fuente had to dumb the playbook down for him because he couldn't read defenses. Funny, Fuente got fired because he sucked yet VT fans can't see it. They still to this day swear Hendon wasn't good then and still isn't. I love up here about 15 mins from VT and I just laugh at all of them.
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Won 19 with Beamer's players then went 24-23. His play calling was terrible.
 
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HH is a smart QB who is willing to work and learn. I would think that those qualities would be exactly what any NFL team would want. He's proven himself to be very coachable and a good leader. I'm hoping he goes right down the road from here and plays in the house that Peyton built!!
 
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System is far more important.

You can have great players in a system but if it's not the right system for a certain skill set, it will not workout

Huepel's style is very unique, quick and mobile...it's more for dual threat QB's in my opinion, but a pocket passer also would be successful, just not as amazing.

I firmly believe you could put a 2 star QB in this offense and he would be just fine
 
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He found a coach that could leverage his strengths. That's not a bad thing and it doesn't mean it's system only. He made the right reads and throws a shitload.
 
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RG3 said Hooker is his 3rd best QB in this draft and people said he was system QB too.
Pretty much said all QB's are system QB's, when you get to the NFL you'll be playing in that teams system
 
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WilcoVolsFan: I get it - You’re a Hendon Hooker fan! - DUH! So, is almost every VOL FAN cheering for him! — I just meant that he obviously did not have the same success at Virginia Tech that he had at Tennessee! So, The question again is: Was it the QB - or was it “the system”? — TOUCH’E!

— If you even know what that means!……
 
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