The Run Game is not in trouble!

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The sky is not falling. Jay Graham left, but I think we are in good hands.

Jones emphasizes the run game in his attack. The Bearcats averaged nearly 200 yards on the ground per game this season. His running back in 2010 and 2011, Isaiah Pead, was a second-round pick of the St. Louis Rams in 2011. George Winn, his running back this season, rushed for 1,204 yards. Quarterback Munchie Legaux added 335 yards on the ground.

Old article but maybe it can help to alleviate some of you panic-stricken posters...



Tennessee's offense to have new look under Butch Jones | Nooga.com
 
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Run game's not in trouble because you have to have a decent run game in the first place lol. Our's improved from pathetic to mediocre in 2011-2012. Running in the SEC vs running in the Big East is very different though. Jones may "emphasize running", but without the RB there won't be much running...Here's hoping we see tons of improvement out of Neal and Lane and the OL (in run blocking).
 
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We didnt have much of running game anyway, with this line we should be able to just line up and grind out 4 yards, but we dont.
 
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The line establishes the run. We have a mature line and I expect good things there. We need speed imo. Does anybody else remember CP as tailback? He got more yards while running than our RB's and I account that to his speed. He saw the hole, and was past it before the pocket collapsed.
 
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we just need to upgrade talent and coaching....JG coached Lattimore at SC, my God not like that young man isn't an awesome back, coaches get to much respect for the good, and too much bashing when things suck
 
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Jake Tate said:
The sky is not falling. Jay Graham left, but I think we are in good hands.

Jones emphasizes the run game in his attack. The Bearcats averaged nearly 200 yards on the ground per game this season. His running back in 2010 and 2011, Isaiah Pead, was a second-round pick of the St. Louis Rams in 2011. George Winn, his running back this season, rushed for 1,204 yards. Quarterback Munchie Legaux added 335 yards on the ground.

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Tennessee's offense to have new look under Butch Jones | Nooga.com
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We're in good hands because of the ridiculous offensive line we have. Good lord, people. For some reason I don't recall anyone waxing poetic about Alabama's freaking RB coach this past season.
 
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kohlrums said:
We're in good hands because of the ridiculous offensive line we have. Good lord, people. For some reason I don't recall anyone waxing poetic about Alabama's freaking RB coach this past season.
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good point.

If was a FSU fan, and someone told me that we had the coaching triumvirate of Randy Sanders, Sal Sunseri and Jay Graham I would want to punch that someone in the face.

People are confusing Jay's ability as a player and his prowess as a coach. He might be a decent RB coach but it isn't like he is irreplaceable. I give him a nod for staying through recruiting season. There is no better time to leave than this part of the year, insofar as being the least damaging to a program during a coaching transition.
 
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You guys are unbelieveable. As long as CJG is wearing the orange and white, he is a fantastic coach who brought our running game out of the doldrums. Now, since he's gone, our run game is mediocre at best and CJG wasn't a good coach anyway.

Let's be realistic--he stabilized the run game, he did great things in recruiting but for reasons only he and his family know, he decided to move on.

We'll hire a good coach and we will move forward.
 
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kohlrums said:
We're in good hands because of the ridiculous offensive line we have. Good lord, people. For some reason I don't recall anyone waxing poetic about Alabama's freaking RB coach this past season.
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I could be wrong, but it seems like our offensive line is very good at forming a wall (pass protecting) and average to good at best in creating holes for the running game.
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
I could be wrong, but it seems like our offensive line is very good at forming a wall (pass protecting) and average to good at best in creating holes for the running game.
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Good assessment....this is my take as well...run blocking must make major improvements with our very average backs....points will be very hard to come by this fall unfortunately
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
Run game's not in trouble because you have to have a decent run game in the first place lol. Our's improved from pathetic to mediocre in 2011-2012. Running in the SEC vs running in the Big East is very different though. Jones may "emphasize running", but without the RB there won't be much running...Here's hoping we see tons of improvement out of Neal and Lane and the OL (in run blocking).
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Why is running in the SEC different than running anywhere else? Help me with this. You still got a center, 2 guards, 2 tackles and a tight end, sometimes 2. You got man up blocking schemes, you got zone blocking schemes. You got running backs. You got a quarterback. What's different.? As long as you have SEC caliber Offensive linemen, which we do, and you have coaches who are committed to the running game, which we do, where's the difference? To say CBJ can't coach a running game in the SEC because he's only had success in the Big East doesn't compute IMHO. I mean, for example, when Jim Tressels moved from Youngstown State to OSU could he not coach their players? When Meyer went to the SEC from Utah did Florida's running game suck? If CBJ was bringing his Cincy OL with him I might be inclined to agree, but he's not. And I would take Isaiah Pead over any running back we've had here in a long time. Come on guys.
 
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KBVol said:
Why is running in the SEC different than running anywhere else? Help me with this. You still got a center, 2 guards, 2 tackles and a tight end, sometimes 2. You got man up blocking schemes, you got zone blocking schemes. You got running backs. You got a quarterback. What's different.? As long as you have SEC caliber Offensive linemen, which we do, and you have coached who are committed to the running game, which we do, where's the difference? To say CBJ can't coach a running game in the SEC because he's only had success in the Big East doesn't compute IMHO. I mean, for example, when Jim Tressels moved from Youngstown Stare to OSU could not coach their players? When Meyer went to the SEC from Utah did Florida's running game suck? Come on guys.
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What's different is the caliber of players, particularly on defense. We do not have the players on the OL or RB to ram it down players throats or skirt around to the outside. Our OL is good at pass protecting, not creating gaps for the RB and definitely not good at getting to the second level to allow BIG runs. Hopefully the new strength and condition and CBJ's leadership will bring about the improvement our players need to establish a solid running game.
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
What's different is the caliber of players, particularly on defense. We do not have the players on the OL or RB to ram it down players throats or skirt around to the outside. Our OL is good at pass protecting, not creating gaps for the RB and definitely not good at getting to the second level to allow BIG runs. Hopefully the new strength and condition and CBJ's leadership will bring about the improvement our players need to establish a solid running game.
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Wrong. We have average running backs but we have an Elite OL. Your original point, as I read it, had to do more with CBJs inability to coach a running game in the SEC as opposed to the Big East. I say there's no difference in how you coach it as long as you have the horses up front, which we do. I agree with some of your points but again, he didn't bring Cincys OL with him.
 
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KBVol said:
Wrong. We have average running backs but we have an Elite OL. Your original point, as I read it, had to do more with CBJs inability to coach a running game in the SEC as opposed to the Big East. I say there's no difference in how you coach it as long as you have the horses up front, which we do. I agree with some of your points but again, he didn't bring Cincys OL with him.
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Here's my post again
"Running in the SEC vs running in the Big East is very different though. Jones may "emphasize running", but without the RB there won't be much running...Here's hoping we see tons of improvement out of Neal and Lane and the OL (in run blocking)."

1) I didn't say anything about CBJ ability to coach. In fact I said I was hopeful about seeing improvement in both the OL (run blocking) and our RB's.

2) In what way is our OL "elite" ? Everyone says that, but in my opinion they are statistically good pass protectors. Part of that can be contributed to their ability, the other part due to Tyler Bray's haste in getting rid of the ball and not getting sacked (hence, the OL has a low "sacks allowed" stat). Their run blocking is average to good - I said this in another post.

3) My "point" in this post - you didn't get my previous points. I hope this clarifies. We don't have the horses, and that was my point.
 
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KBVol said:
Why is running in the SEC different than running anywhere else? Help me with this. You still got a center, 2 guards, 2 tackles and a tight end, sometimes 2. You got man up blocking schemes, you got zone blocking schemes. You got running backs. You got a quarterback. What's different.? As long as you have SEC caliber Offensive linemen, which we do, and you have coaches who are committed to the running game, which we do, where's the difference? To say CBJ can't coach a running game in the SEC because he's only had success in the Big East doesn't compute IMHO. I mean, for example, when Jim Tressels moved from Youngstown State to OSU could he not coach their players? When Meyer went to the SEC from Utah did Florida's running game suck? If CBJ was bringing his Cincy OL with him I might be inclined to agree, but he's not. And I would take Isaiah Pead over any running back we've had here in a long time. Come on guys.
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SEC defenses are better and more hard nosed , that's the difference ! :yes:
 
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orangeluvr said:
SEC defenses are better and more hard nosed , that's the difference ! :yes:
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... than big east teams and players, but we have an SEC team and players. We're not going to play our SEC schedule with a big east team/roster like Cincy. I know SEC defenses are better than other leagues. I'm just saying that the actual coaching of the running game is essentially the same anywhere. The talent differs but not the very finite number of schemes you run, no matter if you're in the big east, SEC or NFL.
 
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orangeluvr said:
SEC defenses are better and more hard nosed , that's the difference ! :yes:
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The difference, summarily, is not STYLE of play but in the caliber of PLAYERS.

SEC defenses look great in comparison because Alabama, 3 out of the past 4 years, has had athletes far superior to their competition in a BCS championship game. It wasn't the scheme that lost Brian Kelly and the Irish the game, it was the athlete.

For comparison, ND actually had a slightly lower four year recruiting class average last year than UT. The score of both the UT/Bama and Bama/ND games was virtually the same.

There are plenty of examples of the same sort of thing. Yes, there are exceptions (Florida/Louisville), but the general trend is that the more talented team wins. Coaching, for 60-70% of the games played, is a non-entity.

Here is the rule of thumb: A good coach will mostly win with better players (Saban, Miles, Richt, Fulmer), a better coach will win with less talented players (Petrino, Spurrier, and yes to an extent Jones at Cincy). A bad coach will find a way to lose with more talented players (Dooley/Kiff).
 
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KBVol said:
... than big east teams and players, but we have an SEC team and players. We're not going to play our SEC schedule with a big east team/roster like Cincy. I know SEC defenses are better than other leagues. I'm just saying that the actual coaching of the running game is essentially the same anywhere. The talent differs but not the very finite number of schemes you run, no matter if you're in the big east, SEC or NFL.
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I just don't think we have the SEC caliber players we need. I pray I'm wrong and Dooley just didn't utilize them properly. I'm very eager to see if Jones can coach these players up and scheme around them to create some consistent drives and win some ball games. From everything I've read, Jones has an eye for talent and can squeeze it out of players perceived by others to be lacking in talent.
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
Here's my post again
"Running in the SEC vs running in the Big East is very different though. Jones may "emphasize running", but without the RB there won't be much running...Here's hoping we see tons of improvement out of Neal and Lane and the OL (in run blocking)."

1) I didn't say anything about CBJ ability to coach. In fact I said I was hopeful about seeing improvement in both the OL (run blocking) and our RB's.

2) In what way is our OL "elite" ? Everyone says that, but in my opinion they are statistically good pass protectors. Part of that can be contributed to their ability, the other part due to Tyler Bray's haste in getting rid of the ball and not getting sacked (hence, the OL has a low "sacks allowed" stat). Their run blocking is average to good - I said this in another post.

3) My "point" in this post - you didn't get my previous points. I hope this clarifies. We don't have the horses, and that was my point.
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Sorry if I misunderstood your point. We will have to agree to disagree on the quality of our OL. I just got stuck on your statement about running in the SEC is very different than running in the big east. Guess we will disagree there too. You either can coach and teach the very few blocking and running schemes that exist in football or you can't, regardless of the league you're in. I think CBJ has shown he can do this. The only difference is the caliber of athlete. The SEC athlete is obviously better and I think we have more than our share in the OL. running back not so much.
 
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KBVol said:
Sorry if I misunderstood your point. We will have to agree to disagree on the quality of our OL. I just got stuck on your statement about running in the SEC is very different than running in the big east. Guess we will disagree there too. You either can coach and teach the very few blocking and running schemes that exist in football or you can't, regardless of the league you're in. I think CBJ has shown he can do this. The only difference is the caliber of athlete. The SEC athlete is obviously better and I think we have more than our share in the OL. running back not so much.
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We shall see. I believe Jones can do far better then his predecessor, that's for dang sure. From everything I've read he knows football and can motivate the players. If he can motivate and knows football, our players will improve.
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
I just don't think we have the SEC caliber players we need. I pray I'm wrong and Dooley just didn't utilize them properly. I'm very eager to see if Jones can coach these players up and scheme around them to create some consistent drives and win some ball games. From everything I've read, Jones has an eye for talent and can squeeze it out of players perceived by others to be lacking in talent.
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http://www.volnation.com/forum/tenn...reakdown-objective-viewpoint.html#post8273815
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
We shall see. I believe Jones can do far better then his predecessor, that's for dang sure. From everything I've read he knows football and can motivate the players. If he can motivate and knows football, our players will improve.
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I also think a top notch rb, of course, would've made those holes and gaps they did create look a lot bigger. Hopefully Jabo steps in and plays big.
 
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