The SEC East Race is Officially Crazy

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South Carolina fans should possibly root against us next week versus Missouri, while Georgia fans should be for the Vols. This might make no sense at first, but let me explain. Mathematically speaking, there are still five teams that have a realistic chance of winning the SEC East, including Tennessee. And it's a shaping up to be a huge cluster#@$ at the top.

Here is how things stack up:

Missouri. 3-1. Mizzou is technically in the lead, but still has three very losable games, with Tennessee coming up next, then Ole Miss in mid November, followed by Texas A&M. They do get Kentucky in there, but that's really the only freebie. Unfortunately for Mizzou, if they lose even one of those games, they are suddenly no longer in the driver's seat. That's particularly bad news given that the A&M game looks very difficult.

South Carolina. 4-2. SC may actually be in the best shape to win the SEC East. It has the easiest remaining schedule, with bottom-dweller Mississippi State coming up next and Florida after that. I've watched Miss State a few times this year, and they've looked atrocious. Florida is probably the biggest hurdle for SC, but they have another issue. If Mizzou finishes with 2 losses, SC wins the head-to-head. However, if Mizzou finishes with 3 losses, then SC could potentially have a problem ...

Georgia.
3-2. SC's biggest issue is Georgia since it lost to UGA earlier this season. That means SC ideally wants UGA to lose, and if not, they want a 3-way tie with UGA and Mizzou. UGA still has Florida and Auburn coming up, before an easy game with Kentucky. Georgia should be rooting loudly for Tennessee to beat Mizzou, since that will likely result in Mizzou falling to 3 losses, and UGA wins the tie-breaker with SC. If UT beats Mizzou, then UGA suddenly looks in pretty decent shape.

Florida. 3-2. Mathematically, Florida is in good shape as UGA. Schedule-wise, it may be rough. Florida needs to beat South Carolina, Georgia, and Vanderbilt to have a real shot at the SEC East. Florida also looks as if it's regressed as the year has gone on. Florida also should be rooting for Tennessee, since if it wins out, UGA and SC will both have 3 losses, and it needs Mizzou to also lose 3 games to have a shot. So basically, Florida has to win all of its games, and hope for Mizzou to falter twice.

Tennessee. 1-3. Realistically speaking UT is a long-shot, but mathematically, we still have a chance. Our biggest positive is that we've already played the most brutal part of our schedule (SC, UGA, Florida, Bama). The downside is that we basically have to win the next four games to have a shot, and that seems unlikely. However, if we were to beat Mizzou, Auburn, Vandy, and Kentucky, we'd have a reasonable shot. First off, Mizzou is favored to lose vs A&M and we'd win a tie-breaker with Mizzou (if we beat them). But then, UGA would have to lose to Auburn, Florida would need to lose to Georgia, while South Carolina would need to lose to Florida. (Or some similar wacky scenario). We're not out of it, but frankly, I'd be happy going 2-2 or 3-1 and making it to a bowl game. No desire to replay Alabama.


If you asked me to give odds right now:

South Carolina 32%
Missouri 28%
Georgia 28%
Florida 11%
Tennessee 1%

South Carolina has the easiest remaining schedule with a weak Miss State team and a very winnable game (at home) versus Florida. That would put them at 6-2, and they'd have to hope that Mizzou loses at least one more game (probably 70% odds on that) and /or that Georgia loses to either Auburn or Florida (maybe 50% odds). But strangely, the ideal situation is that Mizzou *ONLY* loses one more to provide some protection against Georgia in case they win out.

Right now, it's shaping up to be a crazy race with the possibility of a 3-way tie at the top.
 
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SECe is garbage, so it doesn't matter in any way what happens. This is similar to 2007, when we stumbled to a tie for the title and got to represent the East.
 
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not concerned too much with how the rest of the east would have to work out, Mizzou looks like a pretty road game and Auburn is for real. I'm just hoping Dobbs can play. He looked pretty sharp for a kid making his first start, against one of the best D's in the country.
 
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South Carolina fans should possibly root against us next week versus Missouri, while Georgia fans should be for the Vols. This might make no sense at first, but let me explain. Mathematically speaking, there are still five teams that have a realistic chance of winning the SEC East, including Tennessee. And it's a shaping up to be a huge cluster#@$ at the top.

Here is how things stack up:

Missouri. 3-1. Mizzou is technically in the lead, but still has three very losable games, with Tennessee coming up next, then Ole Miss in mid November, followed by Texas A&M. They do get Kentucky in there, but that's really the only freebie. Unfortunately for Mizzou, if they lose even one of those games, they are suddenly no longer in the driver's seat. That's particularly bad news given that the A&M game looks very difficult.

South Carolina. 4-2. SC may actually be in the best shape to win the SEC East. It has the easiest remaining schedule, with bottom-dweller Mississippi State coming up next and Florida after that. I've watched Miss State a few times this year, and they've looked atrocious. Florida is probably the biggest hurdle for SC, but they have another issue. If Mizzou finishes with 2 losses, it wins the head-to-head. However, if Mizzou finishes with 3 losses, then SC could potentially have a problem ...

Georgia.
3-2. SC's biggest issue is Georgia since it lost to UGA earlier this season. That means SC ideally wants UGA to lose, and if not, they want a 3-way tie with UGA and Mizzou. UGA still has Florida and Auburn coming up, before an easy game with Kentucky. Georgia should be rooting loudly for Tennessee to beat Mizzou, since that will likely result in Mizzou falling to 3 losses, and UGA wins the tie-breaker with SC. If UT beats Mizzou, then UGA suddenly looks in pretty decent shape.

Florida. 3-2. Mathematically, Florida is in good shape as UGA. Schedule-wise, it may be rough. Florida needs to beat South Carolina, Georgia, and Vanderbilt to have a real shot at the SEC East. Florida also looks as if it's regressed as the year has gone on. Florida also should be rooting for Tennessee, since if it wins out, UGA and SC will both have 3 losses, and it needs Mizzou to also lose 3 games to have a shot. So basically, Florida has to win all of its games, and hope for Mizzou to falter twice.

Tennessee. 1-3. Realistically speaking UT is a long-shot, but mathematically, we still have a chance. Our biggest positive is that we've already played the most brutal part of our schedule (SC, UGA, Florida, Bama). The downside is that we basically have to win the next four games to have a shot, and that seems unlikely. However, if we were to beat Mizzou, Auburn, Vandy, and Kentucky, we'd have a reasonable shot. First off, Mizzou is favored to lose vs A&M and we'd win a tie-breaker with Mizzou (if we beat them). But then, UGA would have to lose to Auburn, Florida would need to lose to Georgia, while South Carolina would need to lose to Florida. (Or some similar wacky scenario). We're not out of it, but frankly, I'd be happy going 2-2 or 3-1 and making it to a bowl game. No desire to replay Alabama.


If you asked me to give odds right now:

South Carolina 32%
Missouri 28%
Georgia 28%
Florida 11%
Tennessee 1%

South Carolina has the easiest remaining schedule with a weak Miss State team and a very winnable game (at home) versus Florida. That would put them at 6-2, and they'd have to hope that Mizzou loses at least one more game (probably 70% odds on that) and /or that Georgia loses to either Auburn or Florida (maybe 50% odds). But strangely, the ideal situation is that Mizzou *ONLY* loses one more to provide some protection against Georgia in case they win out.

Right now, it's shaping up to be a crazy race with the possibility of a 3-way tie at the top.

Tennessee's last four games are winnable. Missouri has a freshman starting now who looked rough yesterday, they've got at least 2 more losses coming. Auburn and Vandy are both at home, where the Vols are playing great right now. KY looks like a game they should win even though it's on the road. Georgia will lose to Auburn and Florida will lose to SC. We win a tie-breaker with SC if both teams have 3 losses
 
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South Carolina. 4-2. SC may actually be in the best shape to win the SEC East. It has the easiest remaining schedule, with bottom-dweller Mississippi State coming up next and Florida after that. I've watched Miss State a few times this year, and they've looked atrocious. Florida is probably the biggest hurdle for SC, but they have another issue. If Mizzou finishes with 2 losses, it wins the head-to-head. However, if Mizzou finishes with 3 losses, then SC could potentially have a problem .

Not sure if I did that right (stupid phone)

Anyway, my point is, if Mizzou finishes with two and SC finishes with two, doesn't SC get the tiebreak because of head to head?

Edit: I just re read it and realized that "it" is USC. Don't mind me
 
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not concerned too much with how the rest of the east would have to work out, Mizzou looks like a pretty road game and Auburn is for real. I'm just hoping Dobbs can play. He looked pretty sharp for a kid making his first start, against one of the best D's in the country.

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We need to win out.
We need Missouri to lose to Ole Miss and TAMU.
We need UGA to lose to Florida and Auburn.
We need SCar to lose to Miss. St. (gasp).
We need Florida to lose to SCar.

That would create a 4-way tie with UT, Missouri, SCar, and Florida. UT and SCar would be 2-1 in games among the tied teams, and Missouri and Florida would be 1-2. So, we'd go to Atlanta because of our win over SCar.

There are other scenarios that would allow us to finish in various ties, but I think this is the only somewhat realistic scenario that would result in us winning. The OP suggests wanting Florida to lose to UGA and beat SCar. That would create a tie that we cannot win.
 
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If we do happen to win out, then we'll probably still not win the division, and all of the blame might fall on us being the only East "contender" to play Bama.
On top of playing another top West team in Auburn.
 
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We could still finish anywhere from second to next to last. I wish we could win this last four games and finish 5 and 3 that might be good enough for a tie for first in the East.
 
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It's a shame we didn't beat a beatable UGA and/or UF-- we'd be right in it.

Mizzou is very, very invested in beating us now. They can't afford to lose to us, with Ole Miss and aTm coming up.
 
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Tennessee's last four games are winnable. Missouri has a freshman starting now who looked rough yesterday, they've got at least 2 more losses coming. Auburn and Vandy are both at home, where the Vols are playing great right now. KY looks like a game they should win even though it's on the road. Georgia will lose to Auburn and Florida will lose to SC. We win a tie-breaker with SC if both teams have 3 losses

Except if UF loses to SC, that means Miss St. would have to beat them.

Have you seen Miss St. play this year?
 
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It's a shame we didn't beat a beatable UGA and/or UF-- we'd be right in it.

Mizzou is very, very invested in beating us now. They can't afford to lose to us, with Ole Miss and aTm coming up.

They can't afford to lose any of their remaining SEC games.

USCe just has to play Miss St. and what's left of UF's roster...that's it.
 
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South Carolina has the easiest road to Atlanta now; I'd argue they're the favorites now / it's almost all but theirs to lose
 
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If we win out, we will not be in the SECCG ... we will have missed it by inches (or a questionable ruling on the field overturn if you believe the evidence on Pig's TD wasn't indisputable)
 
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Crazy scenario i just thought about:
If we win out
Mizzou loses to Tennessee and A&M
Georgia beats UF but loses to Auburn
Florida Loses to UGA but beats USC
and USC wins out besides against Florida

Wouldnt that create a 5 way tie with every team finishing 5-3?
 
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Crazy scenario i just thought about:
If we win out
Mizzou loses to Tennessee and A&M
Georgia beats UF but loses to Auburn
Florida Loses to UGA but beats USC
and USC wins out besides against Florida

Wouldnt that create a 5 way tie with every team finishing 5-3?

Awesome!
 
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Crazy scenario i just thought about:
If we win out
Mizzou loses to Tennessee and A&M
Georgia beats UF but loses to Auburn
Florida Loses to UGA but beats USC
and USC wins out besides against Florida

Wouldnt that create a 5 way tie with every team finishing 5-3?

Not quite. Missouri would also have to lose to Ole Miss. Then, yes, there would be a five-way tie, but we wouldn't be going to Atlanta. UGA wins in your scenario.
I posted the scenario for UT to win the East on the previous page.
 

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