The SEC is still the best conference BY FAR in college football....

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Dobbs 4 Heisman

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....when it comes to producing NFL talent.

Just check out this article on ESPN.

SEC could topple record for players picked atop 2017 NFL draft - SEC Blog- ESPN

Even if this has not been a banner year for the SEC’s on-field product, there is a chance it will be in another way. It’s possible the SEC will have more players selected in the first round of the upcoming NFL draft than any conference has ever had.

The SEC (2013) and ACC (2006) already hold that record with 12, but the SEC’s upcoming draft class could blow past that number. At least that’s how ESPN draft analysts Mel Kiper Jr. and Todd McShay seem to see it.

Check out either analyst’s list of top prospects and you’ll quickly notice that it’s littered with SEC players, especially at the top of the list. More than half of the 25 players included on Kiper’s new “Big Board” – 13 – hail from the SEC, including six of the top seven: Texas A&M’s Myles Garrett, LSU’s Leonard Fournette and Jamal Adams, and Alabama’s Jonathan Allen, Reuben Foster and Tim Williams.
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This is why I can't buy into the argument that the Big 10 is the best conference in college football. It might be more top heavy and have more separation between its best teams and the rest. But the SEC is still the best conference overall when it comes to talent and quality teams. Sure there aren't as many national title contenders as there were in the past. But there is just as much if not more talent in the SEC this year as ever before. And other than Alabama, it seems the talent is pretty evenly spread out. LSU, Florida, Tennessee, Missouri, Vanderbilt, Auburn, and A&M all have at least one player expected to be taken in the first round. Not many other conferences can say they have 8 teams in their conference with at least one first round pick on there.

I expect the SEC to dominate bowl season once again this year. And the Big 10 to get exposed.
 
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If that is the case, it is sad commentary on the state of coaching in the conference beyond the borders of Alabama. And you can't blame it on beating up each other when you look at the rather pathetic out of conference record against decent teams.
 
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lawgator1 said:
If that is the case, it is sad commentary on the state of coaching in the conference beyond the borders of Alabama. And you can't blame it on beating up each other when you look at the rather pathetic out of conference record against decent teams.
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This.

While the coaches in the SEC aren't the worst in college football by any stretch, outside of Saban they are the most overpaid, by far.
 
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lawgator1 said:
If that is the case, it is sad commentary on the state of coaching in the conference beyond the borders of Alabama. And you can't blame it on beating up each other when you look at the rather pathetic out of conference record against decent teams.
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Truth
 
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lawgator1 said:
If that is the case, it is sad commentary on the state of coaching in the conference beyond the borders of Alabama. And you can't blame it on beating up each other when you look at the rather pathetic out of conference record against decent teams.
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Which is why I wouldn't be so quick to say the SEC will "dominate" bowl season.
 
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lawgator1 said:
If that is the case, it is sad commentary on the state of coaching in the conference beyond the borders of Alabama. And you can't blame it on beating up each other when you look at the rather pathetic out of conference record against decent teams.
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??? Please give me evidence of this pathetic out of conference record?

8-4 Tennessee beat ACC Coastal champ Va-Tech by 21 points.

7-5 Georgia beat North Carolina the #2 team in the ACC Coastal.

7-5 Kentucky beat Louisville the #13 team in the country.

7-4 LSU gave #6 Wisconsin all it could handle on the road. A middle of the road SEC team was really just an interception by Brandon Harris from beating the Big 10 West Champion.

8-4 Auburn gave #3 Clemson all it could to open the season.

The idea the SEC struggled in out of conference matchups is a fallacy. Yes it had a few duds. And yes some of its inferior teams like South Carolina did get hammered by elite teams like Clemson in out of conference matchups. But there is no evidence the SEC was "pathetic" in out of conference matchups.

The SEC was just OKAY in out of conference matchups. After dominating it for years. It only seems pathetic because the standard the SEC is held to is so high. Nobody seems to have a problem with the fact 2-3 Big 10 teams lose to FCS teams every year. But if one SEC team loses to an FCS team like Miss St. earlier this year, then its treated like its the end of the world.

The SEC is simply held to a different standard.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
??? Please give me evidence of this pathetic out of conference record?

8-4 Tennessee beat ACC Coastal champ Va-Tech by 21 points.

7-5 Georgia beat North Carolina the #2 team in the ACC Coastal.

7-5 Kentucky beat Louisville the #13 team in the country.

7-4 LSU gave #6 Wisconsin all it could handle on the road. A middle of the road SEC team was really just an interception by Brandon Harris from beating the Big 10 West Champion.

8-4 Auburn gave #3 Clemson all it could to open the season.

The idea the SEC struggled in out of conference matchups is a fallacy. Yes it had a few duds. And yes some of its inferior teams like South Carolina did get hammered by elite teams like Clemson in out of conference matchups. But there is no evidence the SEC was "pathetic" in out of conference matchups.

The SEC was just OKAY in out of conference matchups. After dominating it for years. It only seems pathetic because the standard the SEC is held to is so high. Nobody seems to have a problem with the fact 2-3 Big 10 teams lose to FCS teams every year. But if one SEC team loses to an FCS team like Miss St. earlier this year, then its treated like its the end of the world.

The SEC is simply held to a different standard.
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Except Miss St. didn't lose to an FCS team this year.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Which is why I wouldn't be so quick to say the SEC will "dominate" bowl season.
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Other than 2014 which was an outlier, the SEC has had the best record during bowl season going all the way back to 2005.

The SEC and ACC will prove to be the best conferences during bowl season. Those 2 conferences have the most NFL talent.

Big 10 will get exposed. They are nowhere close to as good as the media is hyping them up to be this year. Pac 12 is not really that good. And the Big 12 is simply the worst conference.

This is how I would rank the conferences:

1. SEC
2. ACC
3. Big 10
4. Pac 12
5. Big 12
 
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So Saban is the best coach with the best recruiting in the best conference???

yay.
 
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McDad said:
So Saban is the best coach with the best recruiting in the best conference???

yay.
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Saban is definitely the best coach. Don't know about best talent.

Alot of Bama players bust in the NFL. In terms of NFL stars, the most talented roster is typically LSU.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Other than 2014 which was an outlier, the SEC has had the best record during bowl season going all the way back to 2005.

The SEC and ACC will prove to be the best conferences during bowl season. Those 2 conferences have the most NFL talent.

Big 10 will get exposed. They are nowhere close to as good as the media is hyping them up to be this year. Pac 12 is not really that good. And the Big 12 is simply the worst conference.

This is how I would rank the conferences:

1. SEC
2. ACC
3. Big 10
4. Pac 12
5. Big 12
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I think the B1G is ahead of the ACC. They have 4 of the top 6 teams in the CFP. I would even say that the ACC is behind the PAC 12. Take away Deshaun Watson and the ACC doesn't have a playoff team.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
??? Please give me evidence of this pathetic out of conference record?

8-4 Tennessee beat ACC Coastal champ Va-Tech by 21 points.

7-5 Georgia beat North Carolina the #2 team in the ACC Coastal.

7-5 Kentucky beat Louisville the #13 team in the country.

7-4 LSU gave #6 Wisconsin all it could handle on the road. A middle of the road SEC team was really just an interception by Brandon Harris from beating the Big 10 West Champion.

8-4 Auburn gave #3 Clemson all it could to open the season.

The idea the SEC struggled in out of conference matchups is a fallacy. Yes it had a few duds. And yes some of its inferior teams like South Carolina did get hammered by elite teams like Clemson in out of conference matchups. But there is no evidence the SEC was "pathetic" in out of conference matchups.

The SEC was just OKAY in out of conference matchups. After dominating it for years. It only seems pathetic because the standard the SEC is held to is so high. Nobody seems to have a problem with the fact 2-3 Big 10 teams lose to FCS teams every year. But if one SEC team loses to an FCS team like Miss St. earlier this year, then its treated like its the end of the world.

The SEC is simply held to a different standard.
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SEC record (except Alabama)versus other Power 5 conferences 2016 :

5 wins 8 losses.

Wins:

U.T. beat Va. Tech
Texas A&M beat UCLA (OT)
Ark beat TCU 2 (OT)
Ga. beat UNC
Ky beat Louisville

Losses:

LSU loss Wisc
Ole Miss loss Fl. St.
Auburn loss Clemson
Fl. loss Fl St.
Ga. loss Ga.Tech
Missouri loss WVU
S.C. loss Clemson
Vanderbilt loss Ga. Tech
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I think the B1G is ahead of the ACC. They have 4 of the top 6 teams in the CFP. I would even say that the ACC is behind the PAC 12. Take away Deshaun Watson and the ACC doesn't have a playoff team.
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I personally don't care about the polls. I go by talent. And the ACC has more NFL talent than the Pac 12 or Big 10.

Clemson, FSU, and Louisville are loaded with athletes. Those are elite teams that could hang in the SEC.

Then you have the likes of Va-Tech, North Carolina, Miami, and Pit that are quality programs.

I really like the ACC. I think its clearly the 2nd best conference after the SEC. And I expect them to prove that during bowl season. I think Alabama blows out Washington and Clemson blows out Ohio State in the semifinals.
 
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1972 Grad said:
SEC record (except Alabama)versus other Power 5 conferences 2016 :

5 wins 8 losses.

Wins:

U.T. beat Va. Tech
Texas A&M beat UCLA (OT)
Ark beat TCU 2 (OT)
Ga. beat UNC
Ky beat Louisville

Losses:

LSU loss Wisc
Ole Miss loss Fl. St.
Auburn loss Clemson
Fl. loss Fl St.
Ga. loss Ga.Tech
Missouri loss WVU
S.C. loss Clemson
Vanderbilt loss Ga. Tech
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Of those 8 losses only 2 can really be considered upsets. LSU losing to Wisconsin (although the Badgers have turned out to be pretty good). And Ga-Tech over Georgia. Other than that, the SEC teams were underdogs to the ACC/Big 12 teams they lost to.

Of the wins, the SEC scored 2 upsets. Arkansas over TCU was an early season upset regardless of how bad TCU turned out to be. And Kentucky over Louisville was a huge upset.

I think the SEC handled itself as expected during the regular season. Bowl season will give us a better understanding of conference strength since it will match up teams of relative strength against each other.

Its kind of hard to grade the SEC in out of conference competition when they have teams like South Carolina going against Clemson. Bowl season will be a better measuring stick since teams of comparable records will be playing each other.
 
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1972 Grad said:
SEC record (except Alabama)versus other Power 5 conferences 2016 :

5 wins 8 losses.

Wins:

U.T. beat Va. Tech
Texas A&M beat UCLA (OT)
Ark beat TCU 2 (OT)
Ga. beat UNC
Ky beat Louisville

Losses:

LSU loss Wisc
Ole Miss loss Fl. St.
Auburn loss Clemson
Fl. loss Fl St.
Ga. loss Ga.Tech
Missouri loss WVU
S.C. loss Clemson
Vanderbilt loss Ga. Tech
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Then add to that....

South Alabama beats MSU
Southern Miss beats KY.
BYU beats MSU
Middle Tennessee beats Mizzou
Appy State takes Tennessee to OT
WKU takes Vandy to OT.
Nicholls State (who the hell is Nicholls State) puts a serious scare into Georgia losing by 2 which was every bit indicative of the game
 
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McDad said:
So Saban is the best coach with the best recruiting in the best conference???

yay.
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Take Nick and his bunch out of the SEC, just for conversation purpose.

How do like us now? (SEC)

My point is, I agree. Who gives a fawk?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I personally don't care about the polls. I go by talent. And the ACC has more NFL talent than the Pac 12 or Big 10.

Clemson, FSU, and Louisville are loaded with athletes. Those are elite teams that could hang in the SEC.

Then you have the likes of Va-Tech, North Carolina, Miami, and Pit that are quality programs.

I really like the ACC. I think its clearly the 2nd best conference after the SEC. And I expect them to prove that during bowl season. I think Alabama blows out Washington and Clemson blows out Ohio State in the semifinals.
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Why do you think Clemson would blow out OSU? They are the 2014 version of FSU.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Why do you think Clemson would blow out OSU? They are the 2014 version of FSU.
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I think the Big 10 is overrated this year. Ohio State is not what they were in 2014. They are vastly inferior.

And I got Clemson winning it all over Alabama.
 
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