the stars and bars

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melissa hyberger

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well who could have guessed it? was there ever any doubt that it would come up? once again the presidental candidates are calling for a removal of the confederate battle flag because it hurts so many feelings. they have just about worn this subject out. if we are gonna start back 160yrs ago and work our way foward why not go on out to all the indian reservations and ask them what their people thought about the American flag. why is it that we still have schools calling themselves braves, redskins, chiefs, etc.? now dont get me wrong, i think all of it is silly. but why is it that the candidates are not calling for the removal of the American flag. im sure all these mexicans crossing the borders would like to see the American flag replaced. and while we are at it lets do a study about the buffalo soilders, who they were, what color they were, and how many innocent men women and children were killed by them. why are we as true southerners the only Americans ever ridiculed come election time????
 
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Don't blame the government for this one. Blame all the 2 toothed rednecks who have bastardized the symbolism of the flag to the point that it can't be flown without causing outrage.
 
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GAVol said:
Don't blame the government for this one. Blame all the 2 toothed rednecks who have bastardized the symbolism of the flag to the point that it can't be flown without causing outrage.
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Couldn't have said it better.
 
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GAVol said:
Don't blame the government for this one. Blame all the 2 toothed rednecks who have bastardized the symbolism of the flag to the point that it can't be flown without causing outrage.
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that's one side, the other side is the groups looking for a reason to be offended.
 
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MG1968 said:
that's one side, the other side is the groups looking for a reason to be offended.
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Most definitely true . . . There are many race baiters who are all too willing to jump on this issue. But when it comes right down to it, it's difficult to justify proudly displaying a symbol that offends almost half the population of a state.
 
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the problem there is that there is no right against being free from being offended. if that were the case, rosie o'donnel would be in prison since she's offensive in just about every imaginable way.
 
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MG1968 said:
the problem there is that there is no right against being free from being offended.
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I agree, but the problem I have the flag issue is that I feel like the vast majority aren't interested in the history behind the flag, they just fly it as an act of defiance of something they really don't understand in the first place.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I think the stars and bars and the confederate battle flag are two different flags.
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You are correct (to a point). The Beauregard battle flag is what has become called the "Stars & Bars". The original S&B was a completely different flag. GAVOL hit it on the head though with what it has become.
 
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Is no one concerned that the Rebel Flag, at its very roots, stands as an enemy flag to the United States?
 
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Depends on your perspective. Some are very adamant that it actually was a return to the Founders' ideology. While that is debatable, there are many in one particular organization who will defend it as the true America.
 
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I have always wondered the same thing, not that I do not admire those on the side of the Confederacy, but they were the enemy.
 
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Like I've said before, I had my father's side of the family from northern Alabama who hid out a few years along the AL/TN border until the Union army came close enough. They then joined a Union volunteer group. Family in this group fought another line of my family in the Battle of Atlanta.

I have both sides in my ancestry but could relate better to the ones who were Unionists. Many southerners who preach on the glories of old forget even those who either chose not to fight the cause or chose to remain loyal. Many died or lost everything in some very sadistic behavior.

This like many other arguments bring out the wing nuts of both extremes arguing their points. Some people just have nothing else to live for or be a part of so this is their battle and they fight it as if Manassas was still going on.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Like I've said before, I had my father's side of the family from northern Alabama who hid out a few years along the AL/TN border until the Union army came close enough. They then joined a Union volunteer group. Family in this group fought another line of my family in the Battle of Atlanta.

I have both sides in my ancestry but could relate better to the ones who were Unionists. Many southerners who preach on the glories of old forget even those who either chose not to fight the cause or chose to remain loyal. Many died or lost everything in some very sadistic behavior.

This like many other arguments bring out the wing nuts of both extremes arguing their points. Some people just have nothing else to live for or be a part of so this is their battle and they fight it as if Manassas was still going on.
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Here, here!

Nice post!

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They've had a battle here locally about whether the confederate flag should be at the Maryville hs games and there are people here adamant about it being displayed the funny thing is anyone who has a clue about history knows that EAST Tennessee was pro union and had thought about breaking off like West Virginia.
 
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DAVOL said:
They've had a battle here locally about whether the confederate flag should be at the Maryville hs games and there are people here adamant about it being displayed the funny thing is anyone who has a clue about history knows that EAST Tennessee was pro union and had thought about breaking off like West Virginia.
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It is amazing all the little local breakdowns in the border states, especially in Kentucky and Tennessee.
 
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Civil War nut would be better, you should see my basement.

I have been to several battlefieds.

On our honeymoon we spend the majority of our time in Colonial Williamsburg but I got to cover most of the peninsula campaign, we also stopped in Richmond and Lexington, Virginia.
 
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When I was young I went to chicamagua , petersburg , stones river, Fredricksburg, would like to see shiloh and antietam
 
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GAVol said:
Don't blame the government for this one. Blame all the 2 toothed rednecks who have bastardized the symbolism of the flag to the point that it can't be flown without causing outrage.
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I see no reason to add anything to your insightful and accurate post.
 
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Look up Winston County, AL and the state of Nickajack....good history of Unionists in the south.
 
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My question is this, why fly a flag that represents the past of southern cultures that not everybody agrees with? I know alot of people have southern pride, but why offend others by flying the flag that reminds them of what some of their ancestors had to endure? Granted that's not what the flag represents,(slavery) but it still paints a painful picture in many hearts across America when they see that flag. (Not even counting the rednecks that abuse its symbolism by flying on their trucks and across their shirts.)
 
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like i said originally, go ask the american indians (whats left of them) how they feel about the American flag. its a stupid and usless argument concerning the confederate battle flag. my family fought for the confederacy. i had one grandfather who was with gen. lee, and another who was a leader at shilo. both named venable. if you sit back and let these politicians redo history, before long it will be illeagl to wear a cross or have a cross on top of a church house because it offends someone who is not christian. this kind of nosense is already taking place all across our country as we speak. that awful war of ours was not fought over slavery, it was fought over states rights. the southern states had every right to succeed from the union. it was guaranteed in the constitution. where the law of the country was broken was when the northern army invaded the southern states. i dispise slavery as any
GOD fearing Christian should. but that was not what that war was about. the same northern government that conndemed the south was the same government that sent troops out west killing innocent men, women, and children because of their skin color. the buffalo soldiers were named by the indians because they reminded them of the buffalo.(black skin, curly black hair). and guess what? we make a postage stamp honoring them. unfortunatly the victors in any war pretty much get to write the history books and they in turn are able to write history to suit their own needs. yankee history has custer down as an American hero. go out west and hear the true American opinion of that horrible man. custer wasnt killed in battle as were his men, he blew his own brains out because of the true coward he was. that is why he wasnt scalped by the Indians. they concidered suicide an act of cowardness. but hey custer if im not mistaken is buried at arlington with full military honors why his men were buried where they fell. its all a double standard any way you cut it.
 
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