The timing of our "new facilities"

[Dougie_D]

I was reading an article about when Butch Jones was considering Purdue. In the article it mention that if he had gone to Purdue, it would have been a major upgrade regarding backing money from the AD, and even better facilities which where he would be able to recruit top-notch players.

Of course you can't compare Purdue, Cincy, etc.. to TN's facility and backing power.

I think CBJ is a great salesmen but I think he was able to have the upperhand in recruiting because of the brand new facilities at TN. It was all construction during the Dooley era and there was no definite time table.

I guess my question really is.. I'm worried about our recruits who are used to seeing these same top-notch facilities. What recruits/commits have actually taken all their visits?

 

[Roustabout]

I have first hand info on this and Purdue was never strongly considered by CBJ. Was not impressed with the resources and did see Purdue as a place to take the next step. Colorado, yes.

 

[VFLnSFD]

I was reading an article about when Butch Jones was considering Purdue. In the article it mention that if he had gone to Purdue, it would have been a major upgrade regarding backing money from the AD, and even better facilities which where he would be able to recruit top-notch players.

Of course you can't compare Purdue, Cincy, etc.. to TN's facility and backing power.

I think CBJ is a great salesmen but I think he was able to have the upperhand in recruiting because of the brand new facilities at TN. It was all construction during the Dooley era and there was no definite time table.

I guess my question really is.. I'm worried about our recruits who are used to seeing these same top-notch facilities. What recruits/commits have actually taken all their visits?

At least we are now keeping up. Your concern should occur if we had below-par facilities and the recruits were seeing "the best" at other schools. The facilities just bring Tennessee to a more even playing field. The atmosphere that Butch is creating makes the actual sale.

 

[Dougie_D]

I have first hand info on this and Purdue was never strongly considered by CBJ. Was not impressed with the resources and did see Purdue as a place to take the next step. Colorado, yes.

Do you think CBJ could have gotten a top-notch recruiting class if he gone to Colorado?

 

[james_govols]

Colorado is where coaches go to die.

 

[ChattanoogaVols]

I was reading an article about when Butch Jones was considering Purdue. In the article it mention that if he had gone to Purdue, it would have been a major upgrade regarding backing money from the AD, and even better facilities which where he would be able to recruit top-notch players.

Of course you can't compare Purdue, Cincy, etc.. to TN's facility and backing power.

I think CBJ is a great salesmen but I think he was able to have the upperhand in recruiting because of the brand new facilities at TN. It was all construction during the Dooley era and there was no definite time table.

I guess my question really is.. I'm worried about our recruits who are used to seeing these same top-notch facilities. What recruits/commits have actually taken all their visits?

What are "these same top-notch facilities" you speak of? (besides Oregon, since they're not really battling us w/too many recruits...also because their facilities seem to have been designed by many sprites & fairies).

 

[Dougie_D]

What are "these same top-notch facilities" you speak of? (besides Oregon, since they're not really battling us w/too many recruits...also because their facilities seem to have been designed by many fruitcakes).

I honestly don't know. But I do know that sometimes the "new" can wear off after awhile.

People are so excited about the recruiting...but let's be honest. "New" things can sell rather than "used" for the same price.

I'm concerned about recruiting in 2015.

 

[ChattanoogaVols]

I honestly don't know. But I do know that sometimes the "new" can wear off after awhile.

People are so excited about the recruiting...but let's be honest. "New" things can sell rather than "used" for the same price.

I'm concerned about recruiting in 2015.

I hear ya, but I'm of the mindset that if CBJ can put together one of the best recruiting classes in year 1, after the season we've had and the last better part of a decade this program has had, it's only going to be easier for him to recruit each year going forward. We'll be able to tell very soon how good of a coach CBJ is.

 

[Crazy Ivan]

I honestly don't know. But I do know that sometimes the "new" can wear off after awhile.
People are so excited about the recruiting...but let's be honest. "New" things can sell rather than "used" for the same price.

I'm concerned about recruiting in 2015.

The "new" always wears off no matter who the coach and school. But if you can still sell your philosophy, your school, and most importantly prove you are turning the program around by winning more, then the recruiting won't slow down. It's why what's his name is continuing to recruit well at Vandy.

 

[TNRazor]

I honestly don't know. But I do know that sometimes the "new" can wear off after awhile.

People are so excited about the recruiting...but let's be honest. "New" things can sell rather than "used" for the same price.

I'm concerned about recruiting in 2015.

I'll worry about 15 recruiting in 14, let's just be glad we've got a top notch class coming in for next year

 

[VolFanHenry]

What are "these same top-notch facilities" you speak of? (besides Oregon, since they're not really battling us w/too many recruits...also because their facilities seem to have been designed by many sprites & fairies).

Everything you read says Alabama's facilities are unbelievably good.

 

[MOOOOONEY]

I honestly don't know. But I do know that sometimes the "new" can wear off after awhile.

People are so excited about the recruiting...but let's be honest. "New" things can sell rather than "used" for the same price.

I'm concerned about recruiting in 2015.

We already have 6 commits for the 15 class. Which includes what looks like will be the number 1 receiver in 2015, and 1 of the top LB's

 

[Lexvol]

It is a chicken and egg argument. One of the takeaways from Kiffin (the last real recruiter we had before Butch) is that staff was astounded at the recruiting challenges they faced at UT.

In the modern era, UT is a flagship university with a rich tradition, but a severe disadvantage in the high school talent pool. Proximity will always be a major factor in recruiting, so you need every advantage you can get on the hill.

Historically, UT is at its best when they are full of talent from GA, SC and NC.

FWIW, Fulmer was also beginning to struggle in recruiting before his dismissal.

 

[Volador]

Having world class athletic facilities is imperative. In sales, which is what recruiting is, you have to address any and all objections. If we didn't have them, the recruits would see that we were sidestepping the issues. We have the facilities. We have the history. We have the fan base. Next years class only has to look into the eyes of CBJ and his staff and see if they see the fUTure.

 

[butchna]

I honestly don't know. But I do know that sometimes the "new" can wear off after awhile.

People are so excited about the recruiting...but let's be honest. "New" things can sell rather than "used" for the same price.

I'm concerned about recruiting in 2015.

Seems like a lot of worrying for the sake of worrying...we've had the promise of new facilities and a new direction for the last four years...the difference between Butch and the previous coach is the energy...a coach can't fake that, and Butch has an endless supply...if this coaching staff's teaching shows ON THE FIELD this season 15 and 16 classes will eclipse this upcoming bounty imo...IF the coaching shows of course
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[oz615]

It is a chicken and egg argument. One of the takeaways from Kiffin (the last real recruiter we had before Butch) is that staff was astounded at the recruiting challenges they faced at UT.

In the modern era, UT is a flagship university with a rich tradition, but a severe disadvantage in the high school talent pool. Proximity will always be a major factor in recruiting, so you need every advantage you can get on the hill.

Historically, UT is at its best when they are full of talent from GA, SC and NC.

FWIW, Fulmer was also beginning to struggle in recruiting before his dismissal.

which happen around the same time that Rodney Garner left the program!

 

[Lexvol]

which happen around the same time that Rodney Garner left the program!

I agree, we suffered in GA when Garner left. Have preached it for years. In reality, Fulmer held it together for a while, but Garner leaving town was the beginning of the end.

 

[NashVOL93]

It is a chicken and egg argument. One of the takeaways from Kiffin (the last real recruiter we had before Butch) is that staff was astounded at the recruiting challenges they faced at UT.

In the modern era, UT is a flagship university with a rich tradition, but a severe disadvantage in the high school talent pool. Proximity will always be a major factor in recruiting, so you need every advantage you can get on the hill.

Historically, UT is at its best when they are full of talent from GA, SC and NC.

FWIW, Fulmer was also beginning to struggle in recruiting before his dismissal.

I agree that this has historically been a setback for us compared to Bama, Florida, LSU, etc. That being said, the amount of talent in the Middle Tennessee area is growing at a rate totally unprecedented in the history of the state. Phil would have killed for the haul of local talent we've got coming in the next few years (see: Hurd, Kelly, Wharton, Barnett, probably Malone...the list goes on).

This can only be a good thing for Jones and the program, and to be honest, if there's one thing that indicates a changing of the SEC guard could be on the way, it's the exponential explosion of HS talent within our own borders. So, with that said, Jones' promise to "lock down the state" is more important than it ever has been, and it's one I think he'll keep.

In other news, we've been looting Georgia quite nicely as of late.

 

[Vols4ever]

If Coach Jones is able replace "New" with "Wins", we should be more than alrite with recruiting.

 

[Lexvol]

I agree that this has historically been a setback for us compared to Bama, Florida, LSU, etc. That being said, the amount of talent in the Middle Tennessee area is growing at a rate totally unprecedented in the history of the state. Phil would have killed for the haul of local talent we've got coming in the next few years (see: Hurd, Kelly, Wharton, Barnett, probably Malone...the list goes on).

This can only be a good thing for Jones and the program, and to be honest, if there's one thing that indicates a changing of the SEC guard could be on the way, it's the exponential explosion of HS talent within our own borders. So, with that said, Jones' promise to "lock down the state" is more important than it ever has been, and it's one I think he'll keep.

In other news, we've been looting Georgia quite nicely as of late.

It is undoubtedly getting better, but it also has a long way to go. We are excited about 10 can't miss prospects in one recruiting year….there are at least 10 times that many in Florida.

If Butch gets Mosely and Malone….he has absolutely done some work.

 

[RollerVol]

Seems like a lot of worrying for the sake of worrying...we've had the promise of new facilities and a new direction for the last four years...the difference between Butch and the previous coach is the energy...a coach can't fake that, and Butch has an endless supply...if this coaching staff's teaching shows ON THE FIELD this season 15 and 16 classes will eclipse this upcoming bounty imo...IF the coaching shows of course
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I just hope he can keep it up and not have a nervous breakdown. Don't know what he takes but I'll have some of that.epper:
GO VOLS!

 

[ChattanoogaVols]

Everything you read says Alabama's facilities are unbelievably good.

Cool thanks. I haven't really heard much about other schools' facilities being anything special other than us and Orgeon. I'll check bammer's out.

 

[ManningBerry#1]

Colorado is where coaches go to die.

Part of Fulmer died there

 

[ChattanoogaVols]

I agree that this has historically been a setback for us compared to Bama, Florida, LSU, etc. That being said, the amount of talent in the Middle Tennessee area is growing at a rate totally unprecedented in the history of the state. Phil would have killed for the haul of local talent we've got coming in the next few years (see: Hurd, Kelly, Wharton, Barnett, probably Malone...the list goes on).

This can only be a good thing for Jones and the program, and to be honest, if there's one thing that indicates a changing of the SEC guard could be on the way, it's the exponential explosion of HS talent within our own borders. So, with that said, Jones' promise to "lock down the state" is more important than it ever has been, and it's one I think he'll keep.

In other news, we've been looting Georgia quite nicely as of late.

I sincerely hope you're right. A rich in-state talent pool could be a game-changer.

 

[DC Vol]

The stage is setting up somewhat nicely for Jones.

Florida is down and faces more recruiting pressure from FSU and Miami together than Florida has likely seen in the last decade.

Georgia continues to get poached by Auburn and Tennessee.

South Carolina is having to recruit against Clemson now.

Oddly enough, Tennessee looks to have some decent in-state talent for this year and next year. Combined with 2 good classes (2014 and 2015 is looking quite good) and SEC-E opponents having more problems to deal with now than they did a scant 4-5 years ago does set things up well.

The idea that Jones has put Tennessee at the forefront of these kids minds is unbelievable, actually. When was the last time UT was even remotely relevant nationally? 2007 maybe? We'd really have to go back to 2003-2004 to really make an argument and that is when these kids were 9-10 years old. Even 2007 would be before these guys were teenagers.