OrangeEmpire
The White Debonair
- Joined
- Nov 28, 2005
- Messages
- 74,988
- Likes
- 59
How do you think the U.S. should be used and interpreted? Fixed, or flexible? According to 18th Century language, or 21st century language?
Here is a list of Constitutional philosophies to chose from: http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_intr.html
Make your choice, and please state why you feel the way you do.
The Framers of the U.S. Constitution, or the people in 1787 which voted to ratify the cherished document, did not believe the text to be a "living Constitution" as those words are understood today. Furthermore, the Framers, Founders, and populace of 1787 did not believe the meaning of the words changed as society changed. Rather, they understood the words of the U.S. Constitution to be "fixed" and alterable only by an amendment. After all, it was a "contract" they were entering into. The meaning and words of a contract are "fixed" and do not change. The contract expressly provided for and proscribed a particular method for changing the meaning of the words in the U.S. Constitution and it did not include or mention the following methods.
An alteration of the meaning of the words by judicial decree or opinion nor an alteration of the meaning of the words by Congress or the Executive branch. The proscribed method for altering the U.S. Constitution is the amendment process. The goal of the contract, and the contract is the U.S. Constitution, is to, as Hamilton said,""The plan of the Convention declares that the power of Congress, or, in other words, of the National Legislature, shall extend to certain enumerated cases. This specification of particulars evidently excluded all pretension to a general legislative authority, because an affirmative grant of special powers would be absurd, as well as useless, if a general authority was intended."
What Hamilton is asserting here is, the government's power is enumerated in the U.S. Constitution, and Congress CANNOT exercise ANY power not granted to them, and ANY idea they were given a "general legislative authority" would be absurd and render useless the entire document which created the government.
I submit that the notion of a "living Constitution" and a "flexible document" is tantamount to what Hamilton called "general legislative authority and thus, condemnable as completely undermining the express purpose of the U.S. Constitution.
Chief Justice John Marshall said in his majority opinion in the case of McCulloch vs. Maryland, 17 U.S. 316, "This government is acknowledged by all, to be one of enumerated powers. The principle, that it can exercise only the powers granted to it, would seem too apparent, to have required to be enforced by all those arguments, which its enlightened friends, while it was depending before the people, found it necessary to urge; that principle is now universally admitted.
The express purpose of the U.S. Constitution was to establish a strong national government of "limited powers." To limit the powers of the national government, the Framers/Founders sought to specifically enumerate those areas in which the federal government could operate, and those areas not mentioned were powers denied to them and reserved to the states.
As the 10th amendment asserts, The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved for the States respectively, or to the people. If Congress or the federal government was not vested with the power in the U.S. Constitution, then it is not a power for them to properly exercise, and specifically, it is a power reserved to the states. In 1787, this fundamental truth regarding the U.S. Constitution and the new government it created is what in part persuaded people to ratify the U.S. Constitution. The Framers, the Founders, and the populace of 1787 understood they were ratifying a government of limited power.
However, how as this power limited if the meaning of the words which operated to quarantine the power of the federal government were not fixed, defined, and limit in and of themselves? If the meaning of the words were not "fixed," but can be altered to include a more expansive meaning, then the very principle of limited government is eroded, in fact dead. The federal government's powers are no longer "fixed" and "definite" but undefined and innumberable, limited only by the human imagination to conjure up new meanings for pre-existing words, thereby expanding the power of the government.
This is the very anti-thesis of the U.S. Constitution, is completely contrary to the doctrine of limited government, constitutionalism, but is the contradictory result of glorious but logically doomed and failed attestation of "living constitution" and "flexible document."
George Washington asserted, "George Washington - "Towards the preservation of your government, it is requisite, that you resist with care the spirit of innovation upon its principles. One method of assault may be in effect alterations which will impair the energy of the system and thus undermine what cannot be directly overthrown."
Liberal Lie
.
Here is a list of Constitutional philosophies to chose from: http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_intr.html
Make your choice, and please state why you feel the way you do.
The Framers of the U.S. Constitution, or the people in 1787 which voted to ratify the cherished document, did not believe the text to be a "living Constitution" as those words are understood today. Furthermore, the Framers, Founders, and populace of 1787 did not believe the meaning of the words changed as society changed. Rather, they understood the words of the U.S. Constitution to be "fixed" and alterable only by an amendment. After all, it was a "contract" they were entering into. The meaning and words of a contract are "fixed" and do not change. The contract expressly provided for and proscribed a particular method for changing the meaning of the words in the U.S. Constitution and it did not include or mention the following methods.
An alteration of the meaning of the words by judicial decree or opinion nor an alteration of the meaning of the words by Congress or the Executive branch. The proscribed method for altering the U.S. Constitution is the amendment process. The goal of the contract, and the contract is the U.S. Constitution, is to, as Hamilton said,""The plan of the Convention declares that the power of Congress, or, in other words, of the National Legislature, shall extend to certain enumerated cases. This specification of particulars evidently excluded all pretension to a general legislative authority, because an affirmative grant of special powers would be absurd, as well as useless, if a general authority was intended."
What Hamilton is asserting here is, the government's power is enumerated in the U.S. Constitution, and Congress CANNOT exercise ANY power not granted to them, and ANY idea they were given a "general legislative authority" would be absurd and render useless the entire document which created the government.
I submit that the notion of a "living Constitution" and a "flexible document" is tantamount to what Hamilton called "general legislative authority and thus, condemnable as completely undermining the express purpose of the U.S. Constitution.
Chief Justice John Marshall said in his majority opinion in the case of McCulloch vs. Maryland, 17 U.S. 316, "This government is acknowledged by all, to be one of enumerated powers. The principle, that it can exercise only the powers granted to it, would seem too apparent, to have required to be enforced by all those arguments, which its enlightened friends, while it was depending before the people, found it necessary to urge; that principle is now universally admitted.
The express purpose of the U.S. Constitution was to establish a strong national government of "limited powers." To limit the powers of the national government, the Framers/Founders sought to specifically enumerate those areas in which the federal government could operate, and those areas not mentioned were powers denied to them and reserved to the states.
As the 10th amendment asserts, The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved for the States respectively, or to the people. If Congress or the federal government was not vested with the power in the U.S. Constitution, then it is not a power for them to properly exercise, and specifically, it is a power reserved to the states. In 1787, this fundamental truth regarding the U.S. Constitution and the new government it created is what in part persuaded people to ratify the U.S. Constitution. The Framers, the Founders, and the populace of 1787 understood they were ratifying a government of limited power.
However, how as this power limited if the meaning of the words which operated to quarantine the power of the federal government were not fixed, defined, and limit in and of themselves? If the meaning of the words were not "fixed," but can be altered to include a more expansive meaning, then the very principle of limited government is eroded, in fact dead. The federal government's powers are no longer "fixed" and "definite" but undefined and innumberable, limited only by the human imagination to conjure up new meanings for pre-existing words, thereby expanding the power of the government.
This is the very anti-thesis of the U.S. Constitution, is completely contrary to the doctrine of limited government, constitutionalism, but is the contradictory result of glorious but logically doomed and failed attestation of "living constitution" and "flexible document."
George Washington asserted, "George Washington - "Towards the preservation of your government, it is requisite, that you resist with care the spirit of innovation upon its principles. One method of assault may be in effect alterations which will impair the energy of the system and thus undermine what cannot be directly overthrown."
Liberal Lie
.