The Walking Dead

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bigdaddy said:
Right with you Swil. Magically a horde of what looked like 50+ zombies went away after he stabs like two. This show used to be good for being on the edge now it cowers to th masses. I don't even pay that much attention to it anymore when I watch. Just following the plot at this point and that has become stale. Prob the last season for me
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They showed it dissipating. A can rolling down the alley attracted one. The others eventually followed. It was over a day for it to happen.

I'm with Coug. The most egregious writing on the show ever was the van no-flip. This was nothing.
 
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Coug said:
I'm not in the group calling the writing crap. I'm laughing at you guys pissed that Glenn is alive. It's not completely outrageous that he survived. I'm still more pissed at that damn van scene than anything else I've seen on this show. What will really be stupid is if they did all of that with Glenn only to kill him shortly after. That will be complete dumbassery.



I honestly can't remember. Did they actually show what that truck hit before it hit the wall?
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
They showed it dissipating. A can rolling down the alley attracted one. The others eventually followed. It was over a day for it to happen.

I'm with Coug. The most egregious writing on the show ever was the van no-flip. This was nothing.
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Glenn's act of falling off the dumpster was an exact replica of the van falling off the bridge.

and even disregarding that, i do think it's still pretty outrageous he survived that. i don't see how someone could just casually crawl out from 160+ llbs (currently being swarmed and dug into by tons of walkers) and not get bitten or scratched despite it all (not to mention he totally was making noise, whether he was just whimpering or yelling, i find it hard to believe these walkers would not be remotely alerted to him at all.)

and then, despite that, the show failed to surprise us with a main character death, and resorted to giving us some crappy, completely tension-less, mind-game.
 
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So those zombies just walk away because of a can? After the smell of fresh blood is all over Glenn and he is actively attacking them? No way. It's bad writing and I agree with WarVols that it's as bad as the van.
 
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WarDamnVols said:
Glenn's act of falling off the dumpster was an exact replica of the van falling off the bridge.

and even disregarding that, i do think it's still pretty outrageous he survived that. i don't see how someone could just casually crawl out from 160+ llbs (currently being swarmed and dug into by tons of walkers) and not get bitten or scratched despite it all (not to mention he totally was making noise, whether he was just whimpering or yelling, i find it hard to believe these walkers would not be remotely alerted to him at all.)

and then, despite that, the show failed to surprise us with a main character death, and resorted to giving us some crappy, completely tension-less, mind-game.
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So the show fails if a major character doesn't die?

I think there was plenty of tension since most (including you if I'm not mistaken) thought he was dead at first but continued a debate about it for the next 3 weeks.

I'll agree the way they shot Nicholas falling on Glenn was sorry but the act of Glenn catching and falling with was at least plausible.

bigdaddy said:
So those zombies just walk away because of a can? After the smell of fresh blood is all over Glenn and he is actively attacking them? No way. It's bad writing and I agree with WarVols that it's as bad as the van.
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I don't think it was JUST the can. Glen killed a few around the openings so you could argue the dead smell was masking him.

It's no worse than the Gov being completely cornered and then magically appearing behind Andrea in S3 or Tyrese being overrun then magically appearing in the woods.
 
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Both of those moments I addressed as bad writing as well. Add Ricks escape from the RV and there you go. Lazy witing
 
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I don't have as much of a problem with him surviving as I do how it was shot. They were surrounded by walkers, then when they fall (which was stupid itself) they part like the Red Sea and let them hit the ground. Then they are covered again only for it to change back to Glenn having room to crawl somewhat easily.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
So the show fails if a major character doesn't die?
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definitely not what i said.

it's pretty clear that most people (or at least the people in here/most people i know) are aware of Glenn's fate in the comics, so to see him suddenly "die" at an unexpected moment came as a complete surprise. they could have had a shocking, emotional moment, but it ended up not being that at all.

it wasn't that a major character has to die for the show to be good, it was more that they had a moment to surprise the viewers and show they had the balls to kill a main beloved character in order to keep the "nobody is safe" theme relevant, and they failed on both counts.

burntorangeVOLffle said:
I think there was plenty of tension since most (including you if I'm not mistaken) thought he was dead at first but continued a debate about it for the next 3 weeks.
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i definitely believed he was dead the first two weeks. after that, the more they dragged it on, the whole thing with Yeun not appearing on the TD/TD memoriam (really should have just included him in that at least to make it seem more likely. i found it odd that they cross his name off in this past week's memoriam even though they never listed it to begin with), it became pretty clear that they were gonna probably keep him alive. at that point, especially after the morgan episode, it was more of a "****, they're keeping him alive, though he SHOULD be dead" argument i was giving. it wasn't more than a week before most people were claiming that Glenn was alive. practically everyone i know was clinging to the Glenn is alive theory. i stopped giving a crap after episode 4 when it became more clear what they were doing.

burntorangeVOLffle said:
I'll agree the way they shot Nicholas falling on Glenn was sorry but the act of Glenn catching and falling with was at least plausible.
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no, not really haha everything about that was pretty ridiculous.


burntorangeVOLffle said:
It's no worse than the Gov being completely cornered and then magically appearing behind Andrea in S3 or Tyrese being overrun then magically appearing in the woods.
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yeah, i don't really disagree with you there.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I don't have as much of a problem with him surviving as I do how it was shot. They were surrounded by walkers, then when they fall (which was stupid itself) they part like the Red Sea and let them hit the ground. Then they are covered again only for it to change back to Glenn having room to crawl somewhat easily.
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This I agree with.

Otherwise I think the scenario and outcome were perfectly acceptable within the context of the show.

Honestly, I don't see how some of you made it past season 2. That was by far the worst/most boring season.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
This I agree with.

Otherwise I think the scenario and outcome were perfectly acceptable within the context of the show.

Honestly, I don't see how some of you made it past season 2. That was by far the worst/most boring season.
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I watched it on Netflix and honestly skipped most of it.
 
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S2 is tolerable when binging. that was how i originally saw it at least.

from the backlash it got in the other forum I'm active on, i don't think i would have enjoyed it much at all had i been watching one episode week-by-week.
 
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The amount of realism demanded for a show about zombies continues to blow my mind. Life must be tough if stuff like this hangs you up.
 
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Weezy said:
The amount of realism demanded for a show about zombies continues to blow my mind. Life must be tough if stuff like this hangs you up.
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The whole idea of "gritty reality" was the attraction to this show (and GOT for that matter, though that's unabashedly fantasy based) in that it isn't based on Kirk/Spock/Bones/etc being one group and those poor expendable bastards in the red shirts being another. It makes you more invested in the characters to realize that, as in real life, the script isn't going to magically save everyone for the next episode and safety is not a given. And it's more than just that facet.

Realism is taking "storyline X", which itself can be far fetched and trying to make it work realistically. The goal is to be as true to the idea of "If this situation actually happened how would real people deal with the situation." as possible. Post apocalyptic, alien invasion, zombies the principle is the same.

Granted it's one thing to get oneself twisted into knots over nuances in a show/movie, especially one driven by any kind of outlandish fictional antagonist, but it's another to not appreciate when writers try to keep the viewer engaged with as much realism as possible within the parameters of that fiction. JMHO.
 
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I'm just ready for the show to move on. I've lost interest in them fighting the walkers and the struggles of daily survival, it's time to move the story along with new characters and plots.
 
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hog88 said:
I'm just ready for the show to move on. I've lost interest in them fighting the walkers and the struggles of daily survival, it's time to move the story along with new characters and plots.
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The next bad guy is one of my favorites
 
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Weezy said:
The amount of realism demanded for a show about zombies continues to blow my mind. Life must be tough if stuff like this hangs you up.
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If it were presented as a completely farcical reality (i.e. Z Nation), then you might have a point. But it's not presented that way, it's present as "gritty and realistic". Also it's long been a standard that even in fantasy scenarios, you pick the reality and stick with it. You don't change the rules to fit a narrative.

That's why it's perfectly reasonably to complain about why a van landed the wrong way (because there's no indication given that physics work differently in this reality) and why it was silly for Glenn to land in an opened up area when 2 seconds earlier there were walkers on top of each other (because there's no indication that walkers clear out for falling Koreans).

There's nitpicking, and there's pointing out very flawed writing/filming.
 
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