The Walking Dead

[VolsSportsFan]

i don't agree with that at all. S2-S4 at it's worst, was about on par with nearly the entirety of the 1st half of this season. S2-S4 at it's best, was way, WAY better than any moment of this half season at it's best.

agreed that the Beth/ATL hospital story in S5 was the absolute worst though. I've tried to completely wipe those episodes from my memory.

Honestly I think so far this may be the worst season so far. 3 of the 8 episodes have been good, and even one of those had a ton of stupidity (Glenn's fake death), and another was complete filler (Morgan's episode). And again the problem is the snail's pace of the story. This season is making the farm season seem action packed.

 

[Ethan Hooper]

Season two was probably my favorite. My only complaint with it was how long they dragged out the Sophia storyline. Shane was, and still is, one of the best characters the show has seen. The first half of this season was a little slow. I still have high hopes for the second half though based on the comics.

 

[BadJerry20]

The "get off my lawn" "no we are not leaving" exchange between Herschel and Rick got old as hell. But I would give Season 2 the nod over this one, because of the guy you mentioned. Shane was/is one of my favorite characters from the show.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Also as I've said before, the writing/dialogue has become so bad. I don't blame the actors because most of them are fine, but what they are given has been crap. The writers have stopped writing them to talk like normal people and have realistic conversation, now everyone spouts out speeches and goes overboard on the dramatic tone.

It's like one of those movies where going in they are trying so hard to get Oscar nominations that it ends up being way too cheesy and forced. Every time Rick, Morgan, Carol, Abraham, and Sasha all open their mouths this season, it's been in some overly "I'm trying way too hard" dramatic fashion. I don't count Daryl or Michonne because neither really talks enough to qualify.

The table scene last week was cringe-worthy with them discussing Morgan and the Wolves. Rick and Morgan kept trying to one up their speech to the other.

 

[BenGrimm]

When look back at S2 I think it had about 6 good episodes. The first 2, the mid season finale, and the last 3.

And yes, the Rick/Shane dynamic was what made it great.

I honestly don't see the pacing complaints thus season. We're you all expecting this Herd/Wolves story to be wrapped up in 2-4 episodes?

-E1 set the stage for everything that is happening now with the herd.

-E2 the Wolves attack

-E3 was the Wranglers trying to get back and featured the Glenn "death". That may be a point of contention for some but journey of the group was not a wasted episode.

-E4 Morgan's story which DID need to be told so we understand why he let the Wolves go. Probably didn't need to be 90 minutes (with commercials).

-E5 regroup at Alexandria. This one I could see as viewed as filler but I also saw it as an opportunity to show the Alexandria so coping with their first real adversity in the ZA. Despite it being obvious that Alexandria is is not going to last they need to build it up, along with the few characters that might make it out, so it matters when it officially falls.

- E6 had to show what was going on with Abraham, Sash, and Daryl. This episode seemed pointless but I guarantee this was planting the seeds for the next half of the season.

-E7 the return of Glenn and fall of the tower. This episode probably could have been combined with E5 to be honest.

- E8 the town overrun which was what it was building toward since E1

Now... I do think they could have condensed 1 or 2 episodes together but otherwise I've not had a problem with the pacing.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

When look back at S2 I think it had about 6 good episodes. The first 2, the mid season finale, and the last 3.

And yes, the Rick/Shane dynamic was what made it great.

I honestly don't see the pacing complaints thus season. We're you all expecting this Herd/Wolves story to be wrapped up in 2-4 episodes?

-E1 set the stage for everything that is happening now with the herd.

-E2 the Wolves attack

-E3 was the Wranglers trying to get back and featured the Glenn "death". That may be a point of contention for some but journey of the group was not a wasted episode.

-E4 Morgan's story which DID need to be told so we understand why he let the Wolves go. Probably didn't need to be 90 minutes (with commercials).

-E5 regroup at Alexandria. This one I could see as viewed as filler but I also saw it as an opportunity to show the Alexandria so coping with their first real adversity in the ZA.

Yes, because we didn't need 3-4 episodes where it shows everyone split up and what they are doing at the exact same time. For one, they've already done that, and two, the amount of actual relevant material in those episodes could all probably fit into MAYBE 2 episodes. There's no reason an entire half season should only cover 1-2 days. This whole season has been the definition of milking it.

Even the last episode is milking because knowing what is probably going to happen based on the comic, they should have been able to get through those events to set up the second half of the season, not leave it where they did.

 

[BenGrimm]

Yes, because we didn't need 3-4 episodes where it shows everyone split up and what they are doing at the exact same time. For one, they've already done that, and two, the amount of actual relevant material in those episodes could all probably fit into MAYBE 2 episodes. There's no reason an entire half season should only cover 1-2 days. This whole season has been the definition of milking it.

Even the last episode is milking because knowing what is probably going to happen based on the comic, they should have been able to get through those events to set up the second half of the season, not leave it where they did.

I posted prematurely and edited to add more.

I do agree 1 or 2 could have been condensed. I don't really feel like they are trying to "milk" as much as let the characterization breath a little more. You may find it boring to take that approach. They may be thinking of it as something to binge watch. All though with their ratings they should probably just look at the week to week entertainment of it.

I don't really mind it. I will also agree the overdramatic dialog does get heavy handed at times. I don't feel like that is anything new though.

As for the split group thing, they've been doing it pretty regularly since Gimble took over. I don't have a problem with it. When you have a cast this large I think it's a decent device to explore different angles of the story. Even going this route there are still characters that are getting little to no attention (for better or worse).

 

[VolsSportsFan]

I posted prematurely and edited to add more.

I do agree 1 or 2 could have been condensed. I don't really feel like they are trying to "milk" as much as let the characterization breath a little more. You may find it boring to take that approach. I don't really mind it. I will also agree the overdramatic dialog does get heavy handed at times. I don't feel like that is anything new though.

As for the split group thing, they've been doing it pretty regularly since Gimble took over. I don't have a problem with it. When you have a cast this large I think it's a decent device to explore different angles of the story. Even going this route there are still characters that are getting little to no attention (for better or worse).

I don't have a problem so much with the split group approach as I do the fact that they take an entire episode to devote to them, and from watching them it's obvious they don't have enough material to give each one their own episode. They could easily switch back and forth in the same episode and get to the point much quicker.

I'm not sure how you can say the Glenn thing wasn't milking.

 

[BenGrimm]

I don't have a problem so much with the split group approach as I do the fact that they take an entire episode to devote to them, and from watching them it's obvious they don't have enough material to give each one their own episode. They could easily switch back and forth in the same episode and get to the point much quicker.

I'm not sure how you can say the Glenn thing wasn't milking.

I do think they should have gotten back to Glenn sooner. Probably before the Abraham/Daryl episode and the Morgan episode could have been somewhere else I guess but not necessarily. I'm happy they didn't wait until the finale OR as a cliffhanger to a single episode to reveal he was alive.

Any drama is going to try to drag out that... Uh... drama. As much as they can. I've yet to see one that doesn't go too far sometimes.

You are also at an advantage having read ahead in the comics. You are eager to get to a certain storyline and see it just around the corner so everything seems like it's dragging it out to you. Most of the audience has not, myself included. I've only read through the Prison storyline. I was ahead of the show and it did take away from the whole Woodbury story for me.

 

[WarDamnVols]

Also as I've said before, the writing/dialogue has become so bad. I don't blame the actors because most of them are fine, but what they are given has been crap. The writers have stopped writing them to talk like normal people and have realistic conversation, now everyone spouts out speeches and goes overboard on the dramatic tone.

It's like one of those movies where going in they are trying so hard to get Oscar nominations that it ends up being way too cheesy and forced. Every time Rick, Morgan, Carol, Abraham, and Sasha all open their mouths this season, it's been in some overly "I'm trying way too hard" dramatic fashion. I don't count Daryl or Michonne because neither really talks enough to qualify.

The table scene last week was cringe-worthy with them discussing Morgan and the Wolves. Rick and Morgan kept trying to one up their speech to the other.

but dude, it's a show about zombies. that's just how everything is in a zombie apocalypse!

 

[PotS]

When look back at S2 I think it had about 6 good episodes. The first 2, the mid season finale, and the last 3.

And yes, the Rick/Shane dynamic was what made it great.

I honestly don't see the pacing complaints thus season. We're you all expecting this Herd/Wolves story to be wrapped up in 2-4 episodes?

-E1 set the stage for everything that is happening now with the herd.

-E2 the Wolves attack

-E3 was the Wranglers trying to get back and featured the Glenn "death". That may be a point of contention for some but journey of the group was not a wasted episode.

-E4 Morgan's story which DID need to be told so we understand why he let the Wolves go. Probably didn't need to be 90 minutes (with commercials).

-E5 regroup at Alexandria. This one I could see as viewed as filler but I also saw it as an opportunity to show the Alexandria so coping with their first real adversity in the ZA. Despite it being obvious that Alexandria is is not going to last they need to build it up, along with the few characters that might make it out, so it matters when it officially falls.

- E6 had to show what was going on with Abraham, Sash, and Daryl. This episode seemed pointless but I guarantee this was planting the seeds for the next half of the season.

-E7 the return of Glenn and fall of the tower. This episode probably could have been combined with E5 to be honest.

- E8 the town overrun which was what it was building toward since E1

Now... I do think they could have condensed 1 or 2 episodes together but otherwise I've not had a problem with the pacing.

See, when you break it down like that, it doesn't sound so snailed along. But when you wait a week after the Glen "death" episode, only to get 90 minutes of Morgan, and then you wait another week just to see the aftermath back at Alexandria, then you wait another week and get a full episode of Sasha, Abraham, and Daryll, and then you wait another week that essentially shows Glen escaping and the tower falling.

Like I said earlier, the content and story arc of the season has been fine, and I think if you binge watch the whole thing, the pacing is a non-issue. I just think spreading this out over 8 weeks is just too thin.

It works for some, obviously, but I think I'm going to store up a cache of episodes when it starts back up and watch them all in quick succession.

 

[butchna]

Don't like the show? Stop watching...simple fix.

 

[Coug]

I'm seeing a lot more negativity towards the show online today, most I've seen after an episode. I'm hoping the ratings will drop to send a message to fix their writing.

Good lord man, just stop watching the show if it's so damn bad to you and you want the ratings to drop. It was a slow midseason finale but anymore all you do in this thread is complain about everything. I'm surprised you haven't started your own "I hate TWD" Facebook page or started a petition at whitehouse.gov.

 

[WarDamnVols]

Good lord man, just stop watching the show if it's so damn bad to you and you want the ratings to drop. It was a slow midseason finale but anymore all you do in this thread is complain about everything. I'm surprised you haven't started your own "I hate TWD" Facebook page or started a petition at whitehouse.gov.

i think you're having trouble comprehending what he is saying.

he's hoping the ratings will drop so that the showrunners will put more work/effort into the show and work/change on their writing in order to improve the show. most of us who come in here making complaints out of the show, keep watching it because we hope that the show can turn itself around and be the good show it has/had the potential to be. we don't want the show to be bad, but more often than not, it is, and we call it out on that like any unsatisfied person should. if poor ratings and more unsatisfied watchers is what it takes to send a message that the show needs fixing, then so be it.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

i think you're having trouble comprehending what he is saying.

he's hoping the ratings will drop so that the showrunners will put more work/effort into the show and work/change on their writing in order to improve the show. most of us who come in here making complaints out of the show, keep watching it because we hope that the show can turn itself around and be the good show it has/had the potential to be. we don't want the show to be bad, but more often than not, it is, and we call it out on that like any unsatisfied person should. if poor ratings and more unsatisfied watchers is what it takes to send a message that the show needs fixing, then so be it.

That's an understatement.

The point of wanting the ratings to drop is because if they stay high, then they have no incentive to change anything. They assume everyone loves it.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Good lord man, just stop watching the show if it's so damn bad to you and you want the ratings to drop. It was a slow midseason finale but anymore all you do in this thread is complain about everything. I'm surprised you haven't started your own "I hate TWD" Facebook page or started a petition at whitehouse.gov.

Good God lighten up Francis. I've been a fan since day 1, so to just tell me to "stop watching" is incredibly lame and quite the copout. I keep watching because I'm giving it a chance, but I'm not going to sit here and praise things that I don't think deserve it, and I'm not alone.

It's a discussion thread about the show, and you say I just keep complaining, well I'm actually replying to what others have said. Your emotional response is telling me you are taking this just a tad bit personal for some reason.

But if it's hurting your feelings that much, then put me on ignore.

 

[BadJerry20]

Wait, didn't you tell me to stop watching when I said the million man Zombie march was boring?

 

[PotS]

Buncha negadeads up in here.

 

[WarDamnVols]

Buncha negadeads up in here.

don't you mean negandeads?

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Buncha negadeads up in here.

I'm starting a BBB petition; Bring Back Bob.

 

[PotS]

don't you mean negandeads?

Soon

 

[BenGrimm]

Soon

Gruden is going to start writing TWD?

EFF YEAH!

 

[Coug]

That's an understatement.

The point of wanting the ratings to drop is because if they stay high, then they have no incentive to change anything. They assume everyone loves it.

That's the thing though. When ratings drop on a show they typically don't regain that lost audience they just stop watching altogether.

Good God lighten up Francis. I've been a fan since day 1, so to just tell me to "stop watching" is incredibly lame and quite the copout. I keep watching because I'm giving it a chance, but I'm not going to sit here and praise things that I don't think deserve it, and I'm not alone.

It's a discussion thread about the show, and you say I just keep complaining, well I'm actually replying to what others have said. Your emotional response is telling me you are taking this just a tad bit personal for some reason.

But if it's hurting your feelings that much, then put me on ignore.

My response isn't based out of emotion it's more out of annoyance. I totally appreciate that you're a fan but you're like the epitome of a VN fan. You're a fan of the show but then you seem so passionate about talking it down it's like you're on a mission to destroy it. It's akin to a friend being in a bad relationship with a chic and him coming on here to vent to us all about it every week. Think positive thoughts.

I don't ignore people, there is no fun in that. I simply don't believe in the practice. I got it, we need to get you on Talking Dead with Kirkman or Nicotero so you can let them know how you really feel.

Wait, didn't you tell me to stop watching when I said the million man Zombie march was boring?

Me? No, I laughed at that because it was funny and so well placed.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

That's the thing though. When ratings drop on a show they typically don't regain that lost audience they just stop watching altogether.



My response isn't based out of emotion it's more out of annoyance. I totally appreciate that you're a fan but you're like the epitome of a VN fan. You're a fan of the show but then you seem so passionate about talking it down it's like you're on a mission to destroy it. It's akin to a friend being in a bad relationship with a chic and him coming on here to vent to us all about it every week. Think positive thoughts.

I don't ignore people, there is no fun in that. I simply don't believe in the practice. I got it, we need to get you on Talking Dead with Kirkman or Nicotero so you can let them know how you really feel.



Me? No, I laughed at that because it was funny and so well placed.

There's no "mission to destroy", it's just my opinion and also my opinion that you seem a bit overly sensitive about this. It's a discussion board, so take the good with the bad. I'm also not one to just be positive for being positive's sake, because that creates fanboys and I loathe fanboys. If I think something sucks, I'm going to say it, and if someone responds that they can't understand why it sucks, I'm going to respond to that. You think I'm overly negative, I think you and a few others are overly positive.

It's all perspective.

 

[bigdaddy]

Pretty much spot on how I feel



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