There Is HOPE for the Team

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If you look at the 8 SEC losses, we have lost 8 games by a total of 37 points. Even with our (pick whichever word you think is appropriate, mine is CLUELESS) style of play. We are in every game. The ladies are just at a loss as to what to do to right the ship and play as a TEAM.

There is HOPE. I can see that they are close. HW is doing what she can I believe, but the players are not responding.

The average loss is by less than 5 points. Thats 3 shots made, 5 fewer turnovers, not making showboat shot attempts. These are good players who need to go into a room and and work it out between themselves. HW can't do it for them. THEY HAVE TO DO IT THEMSELVES.
 
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The only hope she has for this team is to get the thirty percent shooters out of the lineup and let the players that can make plays try to do so.
Way to late in the season to develop any set plays for certain players and also way to late to develop any type of inside game which has been totally ineffective because of bad passing and post players that cannot get position or catch the ball.
No this team is virtually dead and Holly doesn't have the ability as a coach to bring them back because she keeps using the same players and the same formula and it fails consistently.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
The only hope she has for this team is to get the thirty percent shooters out of the lineup and let the players that can make plays try to do so.
Way to late in the season to develop any set plays for certain players and also way to late to develop any type of inside game which has been totally ineffective because of bad passing and post players that cannot get position or catch the ball.
No this team is virtually dead and Holly doesn't have the ability as a coach to bring them back because she keeps using the same players and the same formula and it fails consistently.
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Are you giving us the definition of insanity? :)

GO LADY VOLS!
 
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Having watched several of the above mentioned games, the team has been down by double digits for most of them, and made a furious push late in the games to get within the points the OP points out. Try as I might, I just don't see a coach who seems to know how to do just that; coach. I don't see this program getting better with Holly as coach. No incoming players in the last recruiting cycle makes me believe the elite players know where this program is headed, and possibly, their parents may be discouraging them from coming with the program in its current state.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
The only hope she has for this team is to get the thirty percent shooters out of the lineup and let the players that can make plays try to do so.
Way to late in the season to develop any set plays for certain players and also way to late to develop any type of inside game which has been totally ineffective because of bad passing and post players that cannot get position or catch the ball.
No this team is virtually dead and Holly doesn't have the ability as a coach to bring them back because she keeps using the same players and the same formula and it fails consistently.
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I don't understand people stating that this team is loaded with talent. Maybe in high school but not college talent. They suck. Next
 
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gerryladon said:
I don't understand people stating that this team is loaded with talent. Maybe in high school but not college talent. They suck. Next
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Having watched most of them for at least a couple of years now definitely overrated in talent as far as playing basketball. This gives me an impression that Holly and staff used a basketball service and did no evaluation of their own. They may not even know how to evaluate because if they did it themselves they are very weak at it.
 
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DrDave said:
If you look at the 8 SEC losses, we have lost 8 games by a total of 37 points. Even with our (pick whichever word you think is appropriate, mine is CLUELESS) style of play. We are in every game. The ladies are just at a loss as to what to do to right the ship and play as a TEAM.

There is HOPE. I can see that they are close. HW is doing what she can I believe, but the players are not responding.

The average loss is by less than 5 points. Thats 3 shots made, 5 fewer turnovers, not making showboat shot attempts. These are good players who need to go into a room and and work it out between themselves. HW can't do it for them. THEY HAVE TO DO IT THEMSELVES.
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Have you watched the last two games ? This team has given up.....they could not beat a good Church Team right now.////moreover they do not want to or have the want to beat anyone.
 
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DrDave said:
There is HOPE. I can see that they are close. HW is doing what she can I believe, but the players are not responding.
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The only hope would be if Holly was gone after this season and Hart hired a good coach that could convince the core talent to stay. With Deshields, Russell, Cooper, Nared you still have a group that could do some damage next season and the "rebuild" would be much, much quicker. If Holly stays, it will take YEARS for the next coach to rebuild after Holly is fired...
 
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DrDave said:
If you look at the 8 SEC losses, we have lost 8 games by a total of 37 points. Even with our (pick whichever word you think is appropriate, mine is CLUELESS) style of play. We are in every game. The ladies are just at a loss as to what to do to right the ship and play as a TEAM.

There is HOPE. I can see that they are close. HW is doing what she can I believe, but the players are not responding.

The average loss is by less than 5 points. Thats 3 shots made, 5 fewer turnovers, not making showboat shot attempts. These are good players who need to go into a room and and work it out between themselves. HW can't do it for them. THEY HAVE TO DO IT THEMSELVES.
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Where were you when the defenders of the Alamo needed you?
 
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This team can win. They have the talent. They are poorly coached, but they have AAs all over the floor and if they can dig deep and find a little pride, they can beat UGA. A win would give them confidence, and if they could pick up a win or two in the SEC tournament, maybe they could find a rhythm and build on that.

They're going to have to turn it around themselves. The coaches aren't helping, but the coaches aren't turning the ball over, missing free throws and failing to make easy shots. They can't fix the coaching, but they can fix their mental mistakes and play with heart. If just a few players would step up and take over, the season could end on a much better note.
 
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DrDave said:
If you look at the 8 SEC losses, we have lost 8 games by a total of 37 points. Even with our (pick whichever word you think is appropriate, mine is CLUELESS) style of play. We are in every game. The ladies are just at a loss as to what to do to right the ship and play as a TEAM.

There is HOPE. I can see that they are close. HW is doing what she can I believe, but the players are not responding.

The average loss is by less than 5 points. Thats 3 shots made, 5 fewer turnovers, not making showboat shot attempts. These are good players who need to go into a room and and work it out between themselves. HW can't do it for them. THEY HAVE TO DO IT THEMSELVES.
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BS! I'm sure that's the strategy Geno would employ if that was his problem, right? OR any other COACH.
 
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DrDave said:
If you look at the 8 SEC losses, we have lost 8 games by a total of 37 points. Even with our (pick whichever word you think is appropriate, mine is CLUELESS) style of play. We are in every game. The ladies are just at a loss as to what to do to right the ship and play as a TEAM.

There is HOPE. I can see that they are close. HW is doing what she can I believe, but the players are not responding.

The average loss is by less than 5 points. Thats 3 shots made, 5 fewer turnovers, not making showboat shot attempts. These are good players who need to go into a room and and work it out between themselves. HW can't do it for them. THEY HAVE TO DO IT THEMSELVES.
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If they have to do it themselves, then why do we pay a coach? Tic, Toc, Tic, Toc?
 
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We have the most fragile and ineffective post (Russell) we have ever had.

And our guards can't shoot.


Just don't even worry any more about this year. They're done.
 
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DrDave said:
If you look at the 8 SEC losses, we have lost 8 games by a total of 37 points. Even with our (pick whichever word you think is appropriate, mine is CLUELESS) style of play. We are in every game. The ladies are just at a loss as to what to do to right the ship and play as a TEAM.

There is HOPE. I can see that they are close. HW is doing what she can I believe, but the players are not responding.

The average loss is by less than 5 points. Thats 3 shots made, 5 fewer turnovers, not making showboat shot attempts. These are good players who need to go into a room and and work it out between themselves. HW can't do it for them. THEY HAVE TO DO IT THEMSELVES.
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The lady vols need a few of things to turn the team around. The 1st and foremost the team needs to realize that shooting in the paint is not the only way to score and not to feel as the world will end if you miss a open and good shot. The girls are psyched out because of the drive to go inside when the other teams entire roster is guarding the paint. These girls have been playing since 5 and 6 years old and can hit a jump shot, but their minds have been corrupted. Next, Graves is a perfect high-post player and can be very effective at the 12 - 15 foot mark. She has the ability to hit that shot with a high percentage. Finally playing 7 - 8 players is the secret to having an efficient offense. The guards that are on the floor should have the highest regard in protecting the ball. Most of the turnovers I see are because of not valuing the ball. The culture of the team does not include accountability no repercussions for lack of team ball. What is team ball, team ball realizes that she is hot and I need to make sure she gets the ball where she can be effective and pick your head up so as to watch your teammates cut to openings. This dribbling with the head down while your center is calling for the ball is killing the continuity of the offense.
 
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I see a lot of selfish, individual play on this team...and I mean A LOT! Cooper and DeShields have tremendous talent...just not much TEAM awareness. Those dribble drives to the hoop almost never end in an assist to a teammate nearby who has been left unguarded by an opposing player moving over to help defend the driving Cooper or DeShields...just doesn't happen. WAY too much dribbling and WAY too little quick, crisp, passing the basketball involving teammates...possession after possession where only one or two players touch the ball. I'm not going to lay this problem at the foot of these players, however. It's a failure on the part of the head coach to demand ALL players becoming involved in quick, crisp, movement of the ball by PASSING instead of DRIBBLING so much. I wonder if practice drills ever address this. I watch a few teams where every player on the court touches the basketball during an offensive play...almost never happens at Tennessee.
 
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OP be trippin'....

The program's done until/if an elite HC is hired. The roster heads down even further from here.

Another Hart miscue - extending HW's contract. It produced zero commitments so far and is the worst season in the program's modern history at this point. It IS the worst coaching performance in LV history without question.
 
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DrDave said:
If you look at the 8 SEC losses, we have lost 8 games by a total of 37 points. Even with our (pick whichever word you think is appropriate, mine is CLUELESS) style of play. We are in every game. The ladies are just at a loss as to what to do to right the ship and play as a TEAM.

There is HOPE. I can see that they are close. HW is doing what she can I believe, but the players are not responding.

The average loss is by less than 5 points. Thats 3 shots made, 5 fewer turnovers, not making showboat shot attempts. These are good players who need to go into a room and and work it out between themselves. HW can't do it for them. THEY HAVE TO DO IT THEMSELVES.
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You are in denial...la la land...delusional. I suppose you went down with Dereck Dooley as well? It's over...FIRE HOLLY DOOLEY WARLICK NOW!!!
 
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1) We do not have a bunch of AAs on this team--that's simply not the case. Whatever their ranking coming out of high school, most were overrated, starting with Russell. That said, we do have a bunch of fairly decent/good players who are vastly underachieving individually and as a unit.

2) We should have won all but one of the SEC games we lost. Heck, the SC game was winnable if we had a competent offense.

3) Why didn't we? Because we have a terrible offensive system, because we are a pathetic shooting team, and because we have a very fragile, weak-minded, not very high IQ players who can't play a game without stinking up the gym for at least one quarter, which generally costs us games. Warlick should call M. McGraw and ask to borrow her offensive system. We need one.

4) Cooper cannot play against a zone defense. She's not been good all year. She should be sitting most of the game. She's consistently, like, 1-8 with 2 turnovers and 1 assist, if not worse--and keeps playing more than half a game. Hello, Warlick: When you're worst shooting player has the second most shots on the team, you are showing yourself to be not very smart. No, the other guards haven't been great either, but they haven't been as bad--that means something.

Hell, Warlick would be better playing Jackson--bigger, excellent athlete, better defender--can't be any worse shooting the ball. Middleton, by the way, gets the ball inside to our bigs better than any of our guards--she has good fundamentals with her passing, unlike DeShields, who will try to fire a 40 MPH pass off her dribble through two sets of defender hands to a teammate who is not expecting the ball, thus racking up yet another turnover. We have a terrible offensive system and terrible fundamentals. We could, in theory, go on a run in the SEC--but we're not smart enough: not coaches, not players. We are fundamentally bad.
 
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I agree the season is squat so why not play Meme she is the best of the bunch but has been developed much as in the case with Jasmine. Both of these girls are elite athletes but their BB skills have not been developed. I wander is the practice squad playing zone as well or are they just no good and that skews performance in games. I see these young ladies and they all can play but they are not in the same book, let alone the same chapter and hopefully one day the same page. Once they get their offensive roles defined and communicated, you can then hold them accountable because it will become easy to ask, did you do it or not and the answer will determine PT. If the team continues to perform in this manner the players will dis-invest.What is hard to understand is if they perform like this in practice how did they make the team and if they perform well in practice why not the games. We can continue to analyze. I wanted to Fire Holly for a while but I no longer feel that way. Mr Hart knew the type of person he was hiring when he did.I just hope the players understand they have to play as a team and push hype away thru hard practices with themselves It should be clear who can do what. I see one thing that bothers me about the Ladyvols there is a limited amount of hustle and when courting a prospect only go for those that have heart. Heart will hit the free throw.
 
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