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These are just my thoughts and opinions. Of course I am probably wrong, but here's who I think won't make the cut.

Bobby Patrino- doesn't meet the integrity demand that Hart talked about.

Jim Mora Jr- Won't pull a Kiffen. I think he will stay there at least 1 more year before he puts his name in the hat. Despite the allegations that UCLA isn't a major football program, I believe their football program is big enough to warrant his loyalty for at least one more year.

Al Golden- Has already said he isn't coming. Knows he will be in a great situation after they get off probation. Arguably the best recruiting area in the nation. Tons of great tradition and has the support of several successful NFL players that graduated from there. Miami will find a way to get into a major conference and Al will reap the benefits when they do.

Charlie Strong- Had a strong run but a not so strong ending. Losing the last two games to Syracuse and Uconn hurt his stock for sure.

Tommy Tuberville- Hiring him would be like hiring Fulmer back. Had several successful years at Auburn but then flopped. In his last season, they had a good team but Auburn got beat by several teams they should have beaten and so they sent him packing.

Gary Patterson- The only reason I don't have him as a possibility is because of his strong feelings for TCU. He has personally built that program from the ground up. They are now a viable program and he probably believes he can build that into a premier program. He may want to build his own legacy as opposed to enjoying the one that has already been built here.

Mark Hudspeth- seems like a good coach but I don't think UT will take a chance on another small school coach from Louisiana.

Mike Gundy- Haven't heard his name a lot. Most of the media agrees that he wouldn't leave one major school for another. He seems to really like where he is. They have lots of money that they can pay to keep him and they have a better recruiting territory.

David Shaw- Man what a great guy! Too bad he isn't going anywhere. He is at his alma mater and he loves coaching at Stanford. No one is prying him away from that school.

Butch Davis- Recruiting violations at NC will force Hart to avoid him for integrity reasons also. Remember, UT is still on probation so this hire has to be someone with a clean record.

Art Briles- I like him and he did get a W over Kansas State. Just don't think he is as good as the other coaches that are available. Age might be a factor also. He is about to turn 57 years old. Mack Brown is 60 and a lot of people are saying he should retire. Tennessee would only hire a guy that age who is more of a "sure thing".

Raheem Morris- would probably make a good college coach, but his pro record wouldn't earn him a job at UT.

James Franklin- wouldn't be an option because the boosters would never let Hart hire a Vandy coach. Tennessee has never needed anything from their little brother and they have way too much pride and tradition to try and take someone from that school to rebuild their program.

Jon Gruden- will either turn down UT or UT will turn down his counter offer. Wanting too much money and too much control will probably hurt his chances. That and the fact that the college game requires a lot more work.

Bob Stoops- is currently receiving the 3rd largest coaching salary in the nation. I really don't think UT will provide enough incentives to pry him away from a place where the money is good, the recruiting is better, and the chances of winning are higher. It would have to be some bad blood or something pretty serious to make him want to leave OU.

I'm sure there are several NFL coaches that people will want mentioned also, but Hart said he wants a proven HC. That would probably rule out any pro DC or OC. I think it would also rule out NFL head coaches that haven't had success either. If that's the case, then Gruden may be the only coach worth looking into that would listen to Tennessee and to be honest, his track record after 2002 isn't that great.

So IMO, that would then leave Jimbo Fisher, Butch Jones, and Kevin Sumlin as the best available. Sumlin is in a great situation with Manziel so he probably won't leave anytime soon. That leaves Fisher and Jones. I am giving the nod to Fisher since he has more HC experience against SEC teams and has proven to be a great recruiter. Losing Mark Stoops wouldn't be so bad if he could retain Chaney.

Say what you want, at least I am trying to put some thought into it. If by some miracle it turns out that I am right, I think we will be in pretty good shape. Jimbo is a very good coach!
 
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Mora Jr. Ucla is a known football school overshadowed by a great BB tradition.


Patterson: Did he get LT to commit there, if not, then he is riding the wave of greatness, that is built upon the foundation of his predecessors.

Gundy: Love him, probably won't happen.

All this don't mean crap. It's Gruden
 
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If Angie is right and the NCAA clears Butch Davis of all wrong doing at UNC this week. Would anyone be to upset at his hiring? I mean out if everyone listed that is not named Gruden or Stoops, I would be happy with the hire. That is of course the NCAA makes it clear the he had no knowledge of the cheating going on.
 
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These are just my thoughts and opinions. Of course I am probably wrong, but here's who I think won't make the cut.

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James Franklin- wouldn't be an option because the boosters would never let Hart hire a Vandy coach. Tennessee has never needed anything from their little sister and they have way too much pride and tradition to try and take someone from that school to rebuild their program.

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You just listed almost every decent coach on the board. If the name isn't Gruden they will not make the cut.
 
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These are just my thoughts and opinions. Of course I am probably wrong, but here's who I think won't make the cut.

Bobby Patrino- doesn't meet the integrity demand that Hart talked about.

Jim Mora Jr- Won't pull a Kiffen. I think he will stay there at least 1 more year before he puts his name in the hat. Despite the allegations that UCLA isn't a major football program, I believe their football program is big enough to warrant his loyalty for at least one more year.

Al Golden- Has already said he isn't coming. Knows he will be in a great situation after they get off probation. Arguably the best recruiting area in the nation. Tons of great tradition and has the support of several successful NFL players that graduated from there. Miami will find a way to get into a major conference and Al will reap the benefits when they do.

Charlie Strong- Had a strong run but a not so strong ending. Losing the last two games to Syracuse and Uconn hurt his stock for sure.

Tommy Tuberville- Hiring him would be like hiring Fulmer back. Had several successful years at Auburn but then flopped. In his last season, they had a good team but Auburn got beat by several teams they should have beaten and so they sent him packing.

Gary Patterson- The only reason I don't have him as a possibility is because of his strong feelings for TCU. He has personally built that program from the ground up. They are now a viable program and he probably believes he can build that into a premier program. He may want to build his own legacy as opposed to enjoying the one that has already been built here.

Mark Hudspeth- seems like a good coach but I don't think UT will take a chance on another small school coach from Louisiana.

Mike Gundy- Haven't heard his name a lot. Most of the media agrees that he wouldn't leave one major school for another. He seems to really like where he is. They have lots of money that they can pay to keep him and they have a better recruiting territory.

David Shaw- Man what a great guy! Too bad he isn't going anywhere. He is at his alma mater and he loves coaching at Stanford. No one is prying him away from that school.

Butch Davis- Recruiting violations at NC will force Hart to avoid him for integrity reasons also. Remember, UT is still on probation so this hire has to be someone with a clean record.

Art Briles- I like him and he did get a W over Kansas State. Just don't think he is as good as the other coaches that are available. Age might be a factor also. He is about to turn 57 years old. Mack Brown is 60 and a lot of people are saying he should retire. Tennessee would only hire a guy that age who is more of a "sure thing".

Raheem Morris- would probably make a good college coach, but his pro record wouldn't earn him a job at UT.

James Franklin- wouldn't be an option because the boosters would never let Hart hire a Vandy coach. Tennessee has never needed anything from their little brother and they have way too much pride and tradition to try and take someone from that school to rebuild their program.

Jon Gruden- will either turn down UT or UT will turn down his counter offer. Wanting too much money and too much control will probably hurt his chances. That and the fact that the college game requires a lot more work.

Bob Stoops- is currently receiving the 3rd largest coaching salary in the nation. I really don't think UT will provide enough incentives to pry him away from a place where the money is good, the recruiting is better, and the chances of winning are higher. It would have to be some bad blood or something pretty serious to make him want to leave OU.

I'm sure there are several NFL coaches that people will want mentioned also, but Hart said he wants a proven HC. That would probably rule out any pro DC or OC. I think it would also rule out NFL head coaches that haven't had success either. If that's the case, then Gruden may be the only coach worth looking into that would listen to Tennessee and to be honest, his track record after 2002 isn't that great.

So IMO, that would then leave Jimbo Fisher, Butch Jones, and Kevin Sumlin as the best available. Sumlin is in a great situation with Manziel so he probably won't leave anytime soon. That leaves Fisher and Jones. I am giving the nod to Fisher since he has more HC experience against SEC teams and has proven to be a great recruiter. Losing Mark Stoops wouldn't be so bad if he could retain Chaney.

Say what you want, at least I am trying to put some thought into it. If by some miracle it turns out that I am right, I think we will be in pretty good shape. Jimbo is a very good coach!



Good read my man, I agree with just about everything you posted. I do think Golden's comments were coach speak, things could get alot worse at miami before they get better. Think he would go to UT or a few other jobs in a heartbeat. Miam should have unreal facilities and they dont. But no way in hell is he even in my top 8, maybe top 10. I think Stoops could be had, he is on yr 14to and we all know from the Fulmer yrs things can get stale. I think he would leave and take the UT job to kind of re-spark and motivate him more being in the SEC. But again bro, great post!
 
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You just listed almost every decent coach on the board. If the name isn't Gruden they will not make the cut.

Chris Peterson
Jim Tressel
Jimbo Fisher
Butch Davis (expected to be cleared on Thursday)
Butch Jones
Larry Fedora
Sonny Dykes
James Franklin

ALL of these would be solid hires. Plus I know Hart said he wanted someone with head coaching experience. However I think you GOTTA look at some of the NFL coordinators such as Greg Roman at San Francisco. I think he could be phenomenal!
 
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Chris Peterson
Jim Tressel
Jimbo Fisher
Butch Davis (expected to be cleared on Thursday)
Butch Jones
Larry Fedora
Sonny Dykes
James Franklin

ALL of these would be solid hires. Plus I know Hart said he wanted someone with head coaching experience. However I think you GOTTA look at some of the NFL coordinators such as Greg Roman at San Francisco. I think he could be phenomenal!

Honestly Jimbo and maybe Fedora would be the only even possible options. Davis and Tresselhis have left their schools on probations. Butch's wasnt just at NC so he would scare me to death. Tressel would as well and no way Franklin his hired.
 
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I don't understand why Mark Dantonio's name hasn't come up once? Is it his age (56)? He has a solid resume and is familiar with the south (played at South Carolina). I love the swagger and attitude that MSU has played with...oh and he's a great defensive mind.
 
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Good read my man, I agree with just about everything you posted. I do think Golden's comments were coach speak, things could get alot worse at miami before they get better. Think he would go to UT or a few other jobs in a heartbeat. Miam should have unreal facilities and they dont. But no way in hell is he even in my top 8, maybe top 10. I think Stoops could be had, he is on yr 14to and we all know from the Fulmer yrs things can get stale. I think he would leave and take the UT job to kind of re-spark and motivate him more being in the SEC. But again bro, great post!

Yeah, I paused and thought about him quite a bit actually. He is probably just as likely as Fisher to leave. I just figured the only reason that would happen would be if he is really struggling with the probation, the BCS, and the potential ACC meltdown. I know Fisher has been very vocal about his thoughts on the BCS and the direction things are going in. I think that is what made me think Fisher was more of an option than Golden. But thanks for the props!
 
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I don't understand why Mark Dantonio's name hasn't come up once? Is it his age (56)? He has a solid resume and is familiar with the south (played at South Carolina). I love the swagger and attitude that MSU has played with...oh and he's a great defensive mind.

This year hurt his stock. Solid coach nonetheless.
 
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First I've heard of the college game being more work than the NFL. Spurrier got laughed out of the league for working 7 hours a day and not scrapping his blocking schemes from UF.
 
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This is the list of criteria I have been compiling based on what has been said on VN by various posters during this search:

1. Has to have won a Super Bowl with his own players.
2. Has to have a superb record if coached in the NFL.
3. Can't be the Head Coach at Louisiana Tech
4. Can't be a former SEC head coach
5. Has to have a winning record against SEC schools wherever he coached.
6. Has to not remind of Derrick Dooley.
7. Has to not remind of Lane Kiffin.
8. Has to not remind of Phil Fulmer.
9. Has to be an established, well respected head coach.
10. Can't be overrated.
11. Can't be from Vanderbilt.
12. Can't be too emotional on the sidelines.
13. Can't be too stoic on the sidelines.
14. Sweater vests are not welcome.
15. Can't be an "up and coming" head coach.
16. Can't be suspected of wanting a different job.
17. Can't be too old.
18. Can't be too young.
19. Has to bring name recognition.
20. Can't be Phil Fulmer.
21. Has to WANT to be here.
22. Has to be Jon Gruden.
23. Has to make boosters happy.

Any criteria I missed?

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First I've heard of the college game being more work than the NFL. Spurrier got laughed out of the league for working 7 hours a day and not scrapping his blocking schemes from UF.

Pro teams don't have to deal with recruiting. Recruiting players is way harder than drafting players. Recruiting requires that you continually stay in touch with players in hopes that they will choose your team. Drafting is completely the other way around. Scouts save the coaches time in looking for the players and then the coaches meet the players that they want to meet with. There is no constant follow up needed for the sake of trying to keep a player in the fold because the player is interviewing for the team that's drafting them.

College coaches also have to make sure all the kids are remaining academically eligible. That of course is one major headache that the pro coaches don't have to deal with. The NCAA rulebook is harder to learn because you have to know all the recruiting rules/ violations/ scholarship regulations, etc. Then you have all the booster meetings, media days, and play by play TV shows. That's just a few to mention.
 
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If Angie is right and the NCAA clears Butch Davis of all wrong doing at UNC this week. Would anyone be to upset at his hiring? I mean out if everyone listed that is not named Gruden or Stoops, I would be happy with the hire. That is of course the NCAA makes it clear the he had no knowledge of the cheating going on.

I would love to have Davis. He would recruit very well and win here.
 
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If Angie is right and the NCAA clears Butch Davis of all wrong doing at UNC this week. Would anyone be to upset at his hiring? I mean out if everyone listed that is not named Gruden or Stoops, I would be happy with the hire. That is of course the NCAA makes it clear the he had no knowledge of the cheating going on.

If he gets cleared I would support this hire. He can rebuild a program. He can recruit NC too. He would keep Pitman and Graham as well.
 

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