Things to change after the shooting........

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NOTHING............If a man or women wants to pull what Choa did a metal detector will not solve the problem, neither will a guard (he would just be the first one shot). If we do anything its look for signs to help people before it gets to this point. There is no defense short of putting national guard on all campuses to stop behavior like this. Putting guards or detectors in schools is like putting tape on the Titanic.
 
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Judging by what I have seen the most pertinent change would be that people would have more access to the medical records of the severely mentally ill. Unfortunately employment laws will never allow this to happen.

One could easily argue that these people should be identified like child molesters due to the dangers they present. It is not their fault they are ill, however if they are not going to reside in Bellvue, society should probably be aware of who they are.
 
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In the trial of Charles Manson he testified that society made him by mistreating him or allowing him to be mistreated through apathy. Is this the same thing that drove this individual who had critical remarks about society?
 
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It is a good point. Imagine if the guy had tried that on a plane instead of at VT. I doubt many passengers would have stood there and let it happen. If a whole class went after him the odds of survival would go up greatly.
 
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If you could pick up a desk and nail his a$$ in the face, or even a metal chair. Stab him in the nech with a pen, whatever.
 
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I assure that one change coming will be easier removal of students from the student body.
 
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Well I guess you guys can tell just how much the liberal agenda has entered the school system. If you called for self-defense classes in school, Ted Kennedy would have a stroke.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Well I guess you guys can tell just how much the liberal agenda has entered the school system. If you called for self-defense classes in school, Ted Kennedy would have a stroke.
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I thought that had already happened and caused him to drive off of a bridge somewhere.
 
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Here is some insight for you Why Deinstitutionalization Turned Deadly
Ou entire approach to mental illness needs to change. HMO/PPOs need to pay out more for mental illness so those that need help can get it. He have ustable sociopaths walking the streets everyday and they look just like you, me, your preacher, his wife, and on and on. Deinstitutionalization may have caused more harm than good. Not everywhere was One Flew Over the Cuckoo"s Nest.
 
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bigdaddy said:
Here is some insight for you Why Deinstitutionalization Turned Deadly
Ou entire approach to mental illness needs to change. HMO/PPOs need to pay out more for mental illness so those that need help can get it. He have ustable sociopaths walking the streets everyday and they look just like you, me, your preacher, his wife, and on and on. Deinstitutionalization may have caused more harm than good. Not everywhere was One Flew Over the Cuckoo"s Nest.
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It doesn't matter how much more you shell out for mental health issues, because its up to the person to change if they want too. This person OBVIOUSLY had issues and their was nothing they could do. They sent him to therapy and he was arrested for stalking girls on campus, but even after a judge ordered him to behavioral classes he still committed the crime. I honestly believe this guy was just a dark individual and its sad that people like that exist.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
It doesn't matter how much more you shell out for mental health issues, because its up to the person to change if they want too. This person OBVIOUSLY had issues and their was nothing they could do. They sent him to therapy and he was arrested for stalking girls on campus, but even after a judge ordered him to behavioral classes he still committed the crime. I honestly believe this guy was just a dark individual and its sad that people like that exist.
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The sad thing is that we can't instutionalize people against there will until the cause harm to themselves or others. Just as the others in the article that killed and the Hyde killings in New Mexico, we suggested they be picked up and placed in facilties but can't against there will. He was a sick man but this could have been avoided with changes in mental health regulation. His mind is actually "sick" and he is not capable of changing himself. He needed to be in close observation, medical therapy, and counseling. Mental illness is just that, illness. Like cancer, you can't just wish it away, you have to have medical intervention.
 
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bigdaddy said:
The sad thing is that we can't instutionalize people against there will until the cause harm to themselves or others. Just as the others in the article that killed and the Hyde killings in New Mexico, we suggested they be picked up and placed in facilties but can't against there will. He was a sick man but this could have been avoided with changes in mental health regulation.
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This has been the case throughout man's time here on Earth, and it's not gonna be stopped by placing people in the madhouse. Doing that would be like what we are doing with our jail system now. Its over populated as is and the madhouse would become the same way. I have no issue with trying to help the person, but its still ultimately up to the person to change.
 
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utvolpj said:
It is a good point. Imagine if the guy had tried that on a plane instead of at VT. I doubt many passengers would have stood there and let it happen. If a whole class went after him the odds of survival would go up greatly.
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Hopefully students will start thinking about that more. If I was in that situation, I don't know how I would react with no prior warning. Now that it has happened, I find myself daydreaming in class going over what I will do if a maniac opens the door and starts shooting. I hope and pray that other students start thinking about this too.
 
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Sorry I was late on the edit but at this point in his illness, he is incapable of making a change on his own. He needs guidance a medication so that he can think rationally.

"We prevent individuals with Alzheimer's disease from living on the streets, because we understand that they have a brain disorder. We mandate involuntary treatment for some tuberculosis sufferers who refuse to take medication, because we understand that they are potentially dangerous to other people. We should do the same for individuals with schizophrenia and manic-depressive illness"-Why deinstitutionalization turned deadly
By E. Fuller Torrey, M.D. and Mary Zdanowicz, Esq.​

 
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sea of orange said:
Hopefully students will start thinking about that more. If I was in that situation, I don't know how I would react with no prior warning. Now that it has happened, I find myself daydreaming in class going over what I will do if a maniac opens the door and starts shooting. I hope and pray that other students start thinking about this too.
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Be diligent...but, pay attention in class! :p
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
It doesn't matter how much more you shell out for mental health issues, because its up to the person to change if they want too. This person OBVIOUSLY had issues and their was nothing they could do. They sent him to therapy and he was arrested for stalking girls on campus, but even after a judge ordered him to behavioral classes he still committed the crime. I honestly believe this guy was just a dark individual and its sad that people like that exist.
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G8ter, I understand the sentiment, but these people have no self awareness. The real world is inside their head. To them it is the healthy that are sick and demented. Emptying the institutions has been a public health risk. Since we have done that I would suggest identifying severly psychotic people just like we would with "Chester the Molester".
 
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