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Despite all of the money from SECNetwork each school receives, great stadiums and fan bases, great tradition of winning at several schools in the conference, in the last 4 years, only one SEC has been really competitive with Alabama and they are about to get nailed for cheating......
 
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wmcovol said:
Despite all of the money from SECNetwork each school receives, great stadiums and fan bases, great tradition of winning at several schools in the conference, in the last 4 years, only one SEC has been really competitive with Alabama and they are about to get nailed for cheating......
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Not sure how this works. I mean other than incompetence, there about 5-7 schools that should be able to build a brand that consistently competes with Bama. It has little to do with the SEC Network, stadiums, fans or traditions
 
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Everything is cyclical. The SEC had a stretch of winning 7 national titles in row and would routinely have 4-5 teams in the top 10 or 7-8 teams in the top 25 at any given point in time. The SECCG served as a de facto play-in game for the national title game on multiple occasions. That kind of performance allows for something like the SEC Network and all the revenue it generates to exist in the first place; ironically (or perhaps not so ironically) the channel debuted as the conference's truly dominant period was coming to an end.

Having that stretch continue forever is impossible. The Big 10 in particular has its own network with great stadiums and fan bases. I would argue that the Big 10's coaching is better than the SEC's coaching at the moment as well. The conferences are in competition with each other. You can only imagine how sick they got of hearing about the SEC, and it led to them taking actions to become more competitive.
 
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wmcovol said:
Despite all of the money from SECNetwork each school receives, great stadiums and fan bases, great tradition of winning at several schools in the conference, in the last 4 years, only one SEC has been really competitive with Alabama and they are about to get nailed for cheating......
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Georgia looked pretty competative against Alabama the last time they played.
 
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volfanbill said:
Not sure how this works. I mean other than incompetence, there about 5-7 schools that should be able to build a brand that consistently competes with Bama. It has little to do with the SEC Network, stadiums, fans or traditions
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The point was the money is basically the same, in many cases the fan support, tradition is comparable, etc yet Alabama is dominating the league like it has never seen before. Even Bear had some close competitive games and a few losses. And the only way anyone has competed with bama was to cheat.

Until the Big Ten brought in Penn State it was dominated by Mich and OSU and the reason was those schools had more money and bigger traditions that other members. That is not the case with Alabama's SEC dominance today.
 
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wmcovol said:
The point was the money is basically the same, in many cases the fan support, tradition is comparable, etc yet Alabama is dominating the league like it has never seen before. Even Bear had some close competitive games and a few losses. And the only way anyone has competed with bama was to cheat.

Until the Big Ten brought in Penn State it was dominated by Mich and OSU and the reason was those schools had more money and bigger traditions that other members. That is not the case with Alabama's SEC dominance today.
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I think it is just cyclical. The SEC had several jewels in its crown from 2007 until about 2013 or 2014, with Alabama being the crown jewel for most of that time. The overall product being put out by other conferences wasn't particularly impressive or deep.

Alabama is on a run of dominance that hasn't been seen before in modern college football, but over the last 3-4 years the other jewels in the SEC crown have become quite mediocre. Alabama alone seems immune to the cycle. Meanwhile schools in other conferences like Clemson, Florida State, Penn State, Michigan, etc. have become resurgent over the last 3-5 years.

I think one claim that can be made almost without dispute is that the current top to bottom coaching slate in the SEC is inferior to the Big 10 and probably the ACC as well. A lot of good (or coaches once thought of as good) coaches have left the conference in recent years (Urban, Miles, Richt, Franklin, Spurrier).
 
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wmcovol said:
The point was the money is basically the same, in many cases the fan support, tradition is comparable, etc yet Alabama is dominating the league like it has never seen before. Even Bear had some close competitive games and a few losses. And the only way anyone has competed with bama was to cheat.

Until the Big Ten brought in Penn State it was dominated by Mich and OSU and the reason was those schools had more money and bigger traditions that other members. That is not the case with Alabama's SEC dominance today.
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Might have something to do with the fact that they have arguably the greatest coach in CFB history
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
Might have something to do with the fact that they have arguably the greatest coach in CFB history
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I agree to an extend that Saban may be the greatest coach in CFB history. But where does that leave Dabo? He's been toe-to-toe with NS the last two years and could be back again this yr IF he keeps his QB healthy (no way they lose to Syracuse if he doesn't get hurt). What about Meyer (3 NCs at 2 schools)? Or maybe the coaching depth is pretty weak in the SEC compared to Saban. Smart aside (we don't know about him) the best coach Saban plays every year is Gus or Mullen. Not exactly CFB HOF coaches yet.
 
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wmcovol said:
I agree to an extend that Saban may be the greatest coach in CFB history. But where does that leave Dabo? He's been toe-to-toe with NS the last two years and could be back again this yr IF he keeps his QB healthy (no way they lose to Syracuse if he doesn't get hurt). What about Meyer (3 NCs at 2 schools)? Or maybe the coaching depth is pretty weak in the SEC compared to Saban. Smart aside (we don't know about him) the best coach Saban plays every year is Gus or Mullen. Not exactly CFB HOF coaches yet.
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Bear didn't really have any competition in the SEC. Woody Hayes only had Bo. Switzer only had Osborne. Do they look greater than they are because of a lack of competition, or is the competition lacking because of their greatness?
 
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Saban isn't brilliant because he won a national title.

He's brilliant because he's in the hunt for yet another national title every single freaking year. Year after year, not just two or three years in a row, but EVERY year. If he's the coach, and he's been there more than a year or two, he's in the conversation for a national title.

The dude has been in the national title conversation six of the past eight years. And he's about to make that record seven of the last nine.

Daby Swinney isn't anywhere close to that. Nor is Jimbo Fisher. Nor even Urban Meyer, even though he's probably the second-best coach in the country right now and has 3 national titles over the past decade.

In any field, there is a possibility of a one-off result, an outlier so extreme, so crazy, that all you can do is mark it as unique and leave it out of the comparisons when trying to measure anyone or anything else in the field.

Nick Saban is like that. He's an extreme outlier. There is no one else like him in this generation of football coaches (Bobby Bowden comes closest).

So leave the finances, stadiums, fan bases, and traditions aside. Bama struck the mother lode with Nick Saban. Period. They coulda been Rutgers and if they'd somehow found him and gotten him to stay for a decade, he'd probably have won at just about the same level.


[coaching version of "it ain't the Xs and Os, it's the Jimmies and Joes"...Bama got their exceptional Joe Head Coach]
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Saban isn't brilliant because he won a national title.

He's brilliant because he's in the hunt for yet another national title every single freaking year. Year after year, not just two or three years in a row, but EVERY year. If he's the coach, and he's been there more than a year or two, he's in the conversation for a national title.

The dude has been in the national title conversation six of the past eight years. And he's about to make that record seven of the last nine.

Daby Swinney isn't anywhere close to that. Nor is Jimbo Fisher. Nor even Urban Meyer, even though he's probably the second-best coach in the country right now and has 3 national titles over the past decade.

In any field, there is a possibility of a one-off result, an outlier so extreme, so crazy, that all you can do is mark it as unique and leave it out of the comparisons when trying to measure anyone or anything else in the field.

Nick Saban is like that. He's an extreme outlier. There is no one else like him in this generation of football coaches (Bobby Bowden comes closest).

So leave the finances, stadiums, fan bases, and traditions aside. Bama struck the mother lode with Nick Saban. Period. They coulda been Rutgers and if they'd somehow found him and gotten him to stay for a decade, he'd probably have won at just about the same level.


[coaching version of "it ain't the Xs and Os, it's the Jimmies and Joes"...Bama got their exceptional Joe Head Coach]
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Saban has the backing of an entire state and the SEC to commit every recruiting violation available to be committed, in order to win football games. With the promise of no real investigation.
 
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volfannbama said:
Saban has the backing of an entire state and the SEC to commit every recruiting violation available to be committed, in order to win football games. With the promise of no real investigation.
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volfannbama said:
Saban has the backing of an entire state and the SEC to commit every recruiting violation available to be committed, in order to win football games. With the promise of no real investigation.
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There aren't any Auburn alums in the entire State of Alabama?
 
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volfannbama said:
Saban has the backing of an entire state and the SEC to commit every recruiting violation available to be committed, in order to win football games. With the promise of no real investigation.
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A lazy mans argument for getting your backside handed to you for over a decade. Just admit it, we good.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
A lazy mans argument for getting your backside handed to you for over a decade. Just admit it, we good.
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Yeah right, there has been major research on how well everyone covers the tracks for that program.

Good on them i guess.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
Thank goodness we'll always have tenn to show the better way.
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Yeah, i guess thats a good excuse if you look at the discrepancies in what Alabama receives to violation and that of players from other schools.

How anyone backs a coach that signed Jonathon Taylor to a scholarship is beyond me.
 
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volfannbama said:
Yeah, i guess thats a good excuse if you look at the discrepancies in what Alabama receives to violation and that of players from other schools.

How anyone backs a coach that signed Jonathon Taylor to a scholarship is beyond me.
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Deflect much? Just hope by the time we get to 20 in a row, you never lose your realistic objectivity.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
Deflect much? Just hope by the time we get to 20 in a row, you never lose your realistic objectivity.
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I hate Alabama football with ever ounce of my body, no hiding that.

But looking at it objectively, it is disgraceful what those players are allowed to get away with so that the precious Crimson Tide can be good at football.
 
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