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Peak Phosphorus, and Why It Matters - By James Elser and Stuart White | Foreign Policy

The United States has only 12 phosphorus mines. The supplies from the most productive mine, in Florida, are declining rapidly -- it will be commercially depleted within 20 years. The United States exported phosphorus for decades but now imports about 10 percent of its supply, all from Morocco........................
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If we fail to meet this challenge, humanity faces a Malthusian trap of widespread famine on a scale that we have not yet experienced.

The big story in the March PPI was wholesale food prices, which rose 2.4%, matching the biggest gain in 26 years. Prices of fresh and dried vegetables soared 49.3%, the most in 16 years.


This from last year.

Shortage of sugar coming The Commercial Appeal

I bought a 4 lb package of sugar yesterday and it cost 50% more than a 5 lb package has cost for a long time.

Day before yesterday I paid $2,39 (plus $.24 sales tax) for one red bell pepper from Honduras.

I do everything I can to support the good people of Honduras who have bravely stood up to communist tyranny, supporting a free government that Barry and Hitlery have done their best to squash.
 
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If you think we have endless oil and coal, I don't see why you would question the eternal abundance of another mineral.

What I mean is, there is at least SOMETHING to any of this. There is only so much matter on Earth. There is only so much of a particular resource. All the while, global consumption is growing. There has to be a "peak" when demand will have outgrown available supply. It's inevitable.

Now, when these peaks are I don't know-- in regards to phosphorous, oil, whatever. I just know that they do have to exist from a logical standpoint, and demand is growing very quickly for all natural resources as more of the world enters the global economy and larger portions of the world's population attempt to rise out of destitute poverty.
 
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Peak Phosphorus, and Why It Matters - By James Elser and Stuart White | Foreign Policy



The big story in the March PPI was wholesale food prices, which rose 2.4%, matching the biggest gain in 26 years. Prices of fresh and dried vegetables soared 49.3%, the most in 16 years.


This from last year.

Shortage of sugar coming The Commercial Appeal

I bought a 4 lb package of sugar yesterday and it cost 50% more than a 5 lb package has cost for a long time.

Day before yesterday I paid $2,39 (plus $.24 sales tax) for one red bell pepper from Honduras.

I do everything I can to support the good people of Honduras who have bravely stood up to communist tyranny, supporting a free government that Barry and Hitlery have done their best to squash.

The high price you are paying for sugar has more to do with government quotas than the threat of a global food shortage. See Annual Cost Per Sugar Farm Job Saved = $826,000; More on the Sickeningly Sweet Deal for Big Sugar
 
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If you think we have endless oil and coal, I don't see why you would question the eternal abundance of another mineral.

What I mean is, there is at least SOMETHING to any of this. There is only so much matter on Earth. There is only so much of a particular resource. All the while, global consumption is growing. There has to be a "peak" when demand will have outgrown available supply. It's inevitable.

Now, when these peaks are I don't know-- in regards to phosphorous, oil, whatever. I just know that they do have to exist from a logical standpoint, and demand is growing very quickly for all natural resources as more of the world enters the global economy and larger portions of the world's population attempt to rise out of destitute poverty.

Don't be silly IP, no one especially me claims that fossil fuels are limitless, likewise I agree to the proposition that we need to research, innovate and implement sensible alternatives. What we don't need to do is force that change as if the world was about to end if we don't nor do we need to make moves that aren't economically viable.

As for the shortage of phosphate in America, I would bet that has as much to do with wacko environmental regulations as anything. For instance here where I live phosphate mining was a big part of the economy and now there is none mined here.

As for American coal reserves, I think we have about 80% of known world reserves, enough to last at least a century.

Do you think making America destitute will lift anyone else out of poverty???

The cap and trade bill passed last summer through the house of representatives is uncalled for and insanely idiotic.

Considering the fact that John Kerry is sponsoring the senate version, I can expect no less from him.








The high price you are paying for sugar has more to do with government quotas than the threat of a global food shortage. See Annual Cost Per Sugar Farm Job Saved = $826,000; More on the Sickeningly Sweet Deal for Big Sugar

You don't think a shortage of high frucose corn syrup brought about by the ethanol mandates had anything to do with it, plus using sugar cane itself (again with gov subsidies) to make ethanol???
 
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You don't think a shortage of high frucose corn syrup brought about by the ethanol mandates had anything to do with it, plus using sugar cane itself (again with gov subsidies) to make ethanol???

Probably not too much. While sugar or sugar byproducts are used to make ethanol is most other countries, 97% of US ethanol is made from corn. If you look at the data, our increases in sugar prices have not been any greater than that of the rest of the world. Our prices are simply more expensive because quotas limit a lot of our sugar cane to that produced by sugar beets, which has about a 50% higher cost to produce than sugar produced by sugar cane.
 
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You forgot this:

Food prices jumped by 2.4 percent in March, the most since January 1984. Vegetable prices soared by more than 49 percent, the most in 15 years. A cold snap wiped out much of Florida's tomato and other vegetable crops at the beginning of this year.
 
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Probably not too much. While sugar or sugar byproducts are used to make ethanol is most other countries, 97% of US ethanol is made from corn. If you look at the data, our increases in sugar prices have not been any greater than that of the rest of the world. Our prices are simply more expensive because quotas limit a lot of our sugar cane to that produced by sugar beets, which has about a 50% higher cost to produce than sugar produced by sugar cane.

At best you can lay the blame for the price of sugar in the supermarket nearly doubling in less than one year squarely at the feet of the federal government.

You say 97% of US ethanol comes from corn?

Would you say that has affected the price of animal feed corn at retail outlets???

I'll tell you, it has presently doubled costs although early on the price nearly tripled before currently coming down a bit.

Do you think people who produce meat, milk and eggs for the market have to pass that cost along to consumers, thus increasing food costs???

The ethanol mandates make no sense no matter how you consider them.

Is there even a whisper anywhere that we should repeal them rather than increasing them to insane levels??

NO.








Hmm, here's a group looking into recovering phosphates from sewage.

Phosphat Recovery SNB


You know, the future looks kind of gross sometimes.

Ever wonder what all is really in your toothpaste??

I don't hear any alarm bells going off over a some shortage of phosphate, what does bother me is that we are aquiring a majority of yet another basic sort of commodity from another islamic state.

Denying producers the opportunity to extract oil from American held territory so that we pour more and more money into places that in turn use that money is a way that is subversive to the American republic can be described at best as totally STUPID!!!

Look at the sort of freakish enviro-reactionary thinking that rules America today.

Tiny Mercury Spill Forces Students To Move Schools - Kansas City News Story - KCTV Kansas City

When I was a kid and we had coins that contained real silver, we would take mecury and rub it on dimes or quaters and make them look real shiny. It didn't harm anyone.






You forgot this:

Weather always plays a part in food costs.

The article you produce is basically a piece exonerating the federal reserve bank's money creating machine, claiming there is no inflation when anyone with even a double digit IQ can see that current fed policy greatly endangers America eventually into hyperinflation, which if history repeats itself as in 1929, when the inflationary bubble is broadly perceived, people will unload holding they consider to be overpriced, the fed will increase it's interest rates, plunging us into a deep and long lasting depression.

Yahoo is a Japanese own outfit btw.
(perhaps more about that later, if you can understand what I'm talking about, and it sure as all hell isn't partisan politics)

What role do you think the fed plays in food prices??

"Mr. Chairman, if Dynamit Nobel of Germany, wishes to sell dynamite in Japan to use in Manchuria or elsewhere, it can drew its bill against the Japanese customers in dollars and send that bill to the nefarious open discount market in New York City where the Fed will buy it and use it as collateral for a new issue of Fed Notes- while at the same time the Fed will be helping Dynamit Nobel by stuffing its stock into the United States banking system.
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"Mr. Chairman, if a German wishes to raise a crop of beans and sell them to a Japanese customer, he can draw a bill against his prospective Japanese customer in dollars and have it purchased by the Fed and get the money out of this Country at the expense of the American people before he has even planted the beans in the ground. "Mr. Chairman, if a German in Germany wishes to export goods to South America, or any other Country, he can draw his bill against his customers and send it to these United States and get the money out of this Country before he ships, or even manufactures the goods.

"Mr. Chairman, why should the currency of these United States be issued on the strength of German Beer? Why should it be issued on the crop of unplanted beans to be grown in Chili for Japanese consumption? Why should these United States be compelled to issue many billions of dollars every year to pay the debts of one foreigner to another foreigner?

"Was it for this that our National Bank depositors had their money taken out of our banks and shipped abroad? Was it for this that they had to lose it? Why should the public credit of these United States and likewise money belonging to our National Bank depositors be used to support foreign brewers, narcotic drug vendors, whiskey distillers, wig makes, human hair merchants, Chilean bean growers, to finance the munition factories of Germany and Soviet Russia?
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"Mr. Chairman, when you hold a $10.00 Fed Note in your hand, you are holding apiece of paper which sooner or later is going to cost the United States Government $10.00 in gold (unless the Government is obliged to go off the gold standard). It is based on limburger cheese (reported to be in foreign warehouses) or in cans purported to contain peas (but may contain salt water instead), or horse meat, illicit drugs, bootleggers fancies, rags and bones from Soviet Russia (of which these United States imported over a million dollars worth last year), on wines whiskey, natural gas, goat and dog fur, garlic on the string, and Bombay ducks.

This is the reason that the single most important piece of legislation in Washington today is HR 1207, the Federal reserve transpanancy act of 2009.

That bill had a majority of congress signed on as cosponsors and should immediately be passed on to the senate but Nazi 'frozen face' Pelosi has had it buried in committee since last September.

The Dodd bill does just the opposite of what needs to be done, it further empowers the international banker's power over American economy, it is a sorry piece of garbage.
 

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