This is a Talent Issue

#27
#27
Wylo said:
Keep telling yourself that. Dooley didn't just bring in slappies that nobody else recruited.

This staff is bad.
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Don't need to tell myself that, its a FACT...PERIOD....Learn the game and come back when you have some common sense.
 
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Wylo said:
Keep telling yourself that. Dooley didn't just bring in slappies that nobody else recruited.

This staff is bad.
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Yes he did man I can name 8 of them who are on the field for us.

1.) Cody Blac
2.) Josh Smith
3.) Daniel Hood
4.) Jusitin Coleman
5.) Devrin Young
6.) Brendan Downs
7.) Dontavis Sapp
8.) Jacob Carter

Not to mention nearly 50% of the 2012 class is gone.
 
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GBOVOLS said:
Tell me where the coaching issue is. Cause these guys just can't make plays when they are in the right position.
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These same players didnt give up 55 points or 400 yards rushing at home last year.

Remember Sal Sunseri couldn't coach either
 
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orangerush said:
with all that speed I don't know how they were so bad last year
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This statement gives credibility to the coaching aspect.

Not one of our D players (Cam Sutton?) is SEC worthy (and not many on the O). No one has been able to do anything with this bunch, they simply are not very good.

However, what Gus has done at the barn should tell us all that a really dynamic coach CAN make strides in year one or two.

In all honesty I expected a little more from Jones this year. Not necessarily in the WL column but in the level of intensity on the field. I guess the jury is still out, but not at the barn.
 
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CountVolcula said:
These same players didnt give up 55 points our 400 yards rushing at home last year.

Remember Sal Sunseri couldn't coach either
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Troy? At least auburn is a top 10 team.

gasguy98 said:
This statement gives credibility to the coaching aspect.

Not one of our D players (Cam Sutton?) is SEC worthy (and not many on the O). No one has been able to do anything with this bunch, they simply are not very good.

However, what Gus has done at the barn should tell us all that a really dynamic coach CAN make strides in year one or two.

In all honesty I expected a little more from Jones this year. Not necessarily in the WL column but in the level of intensity on the field. I guess the jury is still out, but not at the barn.
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No. Gus just happened to be the OC that aubs offense was recruited for and they just happened to have top 5 recruiting classes 4 years straight. Get some perspective people.
 
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where was Randolph today?

I think we are a lot more beat up than Butch is letting on. There are real coaching issues on this team….but they are far surpassed by a lack of team speed.
 
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CountVolcula said:
Not all talent

Its some coaching issues too
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I'll respectfully disagree with you on this one count ( I agree with most of your posts). Speed is not just how fast your 40 time is. We can't close fast enough got beat to the spot repeatedly. Auburn was THE fastest team in space we've played this year. I think even faster than Oregon. Our lack of speed gets exposed big time in space against players like this. All we can do at this point is get the right players in here and then we can make a determination about coaching. :peace2:
 
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millst987 said:
recruit...recruit.....recruit
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If you can look at that defensive effort and still claim it is all a talent issue... then you are completely and perhaps hopelessly delusional.

It is EVERYTHING now too. The prep looked poor. Adjustments were flat out non-existent. I mean Auburn threw less than 10 times!!! The playcalling was poor. The tackling is WORSE than it was at the beginning of the season. Angles are no better than last year. Playing in position is no better than last year.

But the thing that's really beginning to get to me now is the personnel decisions. Watch part of the game again (if you can stomach it). A DT's first job is to keep the MLB "clean". McCullers is being driven off the LOS on almost every play. AJ isn't playing great but he has no hope of mirroring the flow of the play without dodging McCullers and an OL.

UK is giving MU as much of a game as UT did. Vandy is playing better than UT... and it has NOTHING to do with talent.

You guys need to open your eyes. The defensive coaching right now is flat out poor.
 
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Dragon18 said:
I'll respectfully disagree with you on this one count ( I agree with most of your posts). Speed is not just how fast your 40 time is. We can't close fast enough got beat to the spot repeatedly. Auburn was THE fastest team in space we've played this year. I think even faster than Oregon. Our lack of speed gets exposed big time in space against players like this. All we can do at this point is get the right players in here and then we can make a determination about coaching. :peace2:
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We still have real issues with scheme on both sides. Bajay has disappointed this year.
 
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GBOVOLS said:
Yes he did man I can name 8 of them who are on the field for us.

1.) Cody Blac
2.) Josh Smith
3.) Daniel Hood
4.) Jusitin Coleman
5.) Devrin Young
6.) Brendan Downs
7.) Dontavis Sapp
8.) Jacob Carter

Not to mention nearly 50% of the 2012 class is gone.
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Carter is a walkon, Hood was a Kiffin recruit and Coleman was a 4* top 20 CB (someone clearly got that one wrong though.
 
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Dragon18 said:
I'll respectfully disagree with you on this one count ( I agree with most of your posts). Speed is not just how fast your 40 time is. We can't close fast enough got beat to the spot repeatedly. Auburn was THE fastest team in space we've played this year. I think even faster than Oregon. Our lack of speed gets exposed big time in space against players like this. All we can do at this point is get the right players in here and then we can make a determination about coaching. :peace2:
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You can make this determination about the defensive coaching. The players do not know where they need to be. Their fundamentals are no better right now than they were in August 2012. Players are constantly out of position. Guys who continually play poor continue to start.

The D coaching for the last three games has been horrible.
 
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sjt18 said:
If you can look at that defensive effort and still claim it is all a talent issue... then you are completely and perhaps hopelessly delusional.

It is EVERYTHING now too. The prep looked poor. Adjustments were flat out non-existent. I mean Auburn threw less than 10 times!!! The playcalling was poor. The tackling is WORSE than it was at the beginning of the season. Angles are no better than last year. Playing in position is no better than last year.

But the thing that's really beginning to get to me now is the personnel decisions. Watch part of the game again (if you can stomach it). A DT's first job is to keep the MLB "clean". McCullers is being driven off the LOS on almost every play. AJ isn't playing great but he has no hope of mirroring the flow of the play without dodging McCullers and an OL.

UK is giving MU as much of a game as UT did. Vandy is playing better than UT... and it has NOTHING to do with talent.

You guys need to open your eyes. The defensive coaching right now is flat out poor.
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We look beat up to me as well. I agree that their are coaching issues, but on talent alone, Auburn is 17 points better than we are.
 
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BoostN said:
Bullsh*t.

This staff just isn't cutting it.

Look at UK on Mizzoui, look at Vandy over Florida. Vandy will beat FL today.. something we couldn't come close to doing.

And your telling me Vandy has more talent then us?
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No kidding, STOP PROTECTING THIS STAFF SO MUCH!!
 
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Honest question...

Do we have a single player that would have started on any of our teams between 1995 and 2001?

I'm not sure we do.
 
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gasguy98 said:
This statement gives credibility to the coaching aspect.

Not one of our D players (Cam Sutton?) is SEC worthy (and not many on the O). No one has been able to do anything with this bunch, they simply are not very good.

However, what Gus has done at the barn should tell us all that a really dynamic coach CAN make strides in year one or two.

In all honesty I expected a little more from Jones this year. Not necessarily in the WL column but in the level of intensity on the field. I guess the jury is still out, but not at the barn.
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Sometimes you just have to get certain guys out of your team the heart is there but the talent mentally and physically is there honestly I feel like a lot of the guys we are recruiting are better right now than guys on our team now ........ill take one of the berrys over Coleman and McNeil right now
 
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Lexvol said:
We look beat up to me as well. I agree that their are coaching issues, but on talent alone, Auburn is 17 points better than we are.
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There's no way you can tell that with how many times players were out of position, read plays wrong, etc.

No one is "fast" enough to run 5 yds in the wrong direction then run down SEC skill players from behind.

Oh, and I forgot leverage. If your job is to set the edge then they start teaching you in Pop Warner to keep your outside arm free. I guess that's not important to this "scheme" though.
 
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General Jack said:
Honest question...

Do we have a single player that would have started on any of our teams between 1995 and 2001?

I'm not sure we do.
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How would we know? If they are constantly out of position then how can you assess their "talent"?

Someone will say, "Well, you can see by how they get beat in space." If you got one guy trying to stop an SEC skill player on the edge with no pursuit and no help... that's not a battle many defenders from any team can win.
 
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