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I've got two brothers and we're all three huge Vols fans. However, for some reason they are just polarized by coach James Franklin. They think he is going to really do great things at Vandy and that he is a vastly superior coach to CDD. Now, they do hate Vandy, but I've spoken with many Vol fans who feel the same way, and I just don't get it. Where is this coming from? They were 6-7 last year and were beat by Cincy in their bowl game. Our healthy team beat them by more than three touchdowns. My brothers both agree that CDD inherited a mess but that he really let things get away from him last year (I don't disagree). Then they say that inheriting Vandy is pretty close to inheriting a mess, as it is not a football school, period. They say that we shouldn't have to even consider worrying about them stealing away recruits but that we have been seeing some of that. (This also puzzles me because I've heard others say that but Rivals had UT at 17 and Vandy at 29 for 2012). Is Franklin really to be feared? Will he really do that well at Vandy? I'd love to hear some serious answers on this. Have at it VolNation.
 
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For starters, there's the result of last year's UT Vandy game. Which coach came out on top when the two teams went head to head?
 
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He may do well for what Vandy calls well but it's hard for me to see him doing anything to special at Vandy.
 
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If he hovers around a winning record at Vandy for a few years in a row, then he'll get a better job. That's the equivalent to winning 10 games consistently at UT. But if UT is winning 10 games, you're already at the top of the coaching/ team ranks. Does that make sense? UT and Vandy is an apples to oranges comparison. A 7 win season at Vandy and the coach gets a key to the city.
 
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Boca Vol said:
If he hovers around a winning record at Vandy for a few years in a row, then he'll get a better job. That's the equivalent to winning 10 games consistently at UT. But if UT is winning 10 games, you're already at the top of the coaching/ team ranks. Does that make sense? UT and Vandy is an apples to oranges comparison. A 7 win season at Vandy and the coach gets a key to the city and a Clay Travis lip lock.
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Franklin has some hot sauce and, like it or not, he's bringing enthusiasm/attention and much better recruiting to Vandy. How else do you figure Vandy making the final three for players like Vonn Bell?

He's a lot like Lane Kiffin and most Vol fans loved his sizzle when he was working for the Big Orange. Whether he can coach....I have no idea. But it's obvioius that he's done some good things for that school.
 
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volnalcoa said:
Franklin has some hot sauce and, like it or not, he's bringing enthusiasm/attention and much better recruiting to Vandy. How else do you figure Vandy making the final three for players like Vonn Bell?

He's a lot like Lane Kiffin and most Vol fans loved his sizzle when he was working for the Big Orange. Whether he can coach....I have no idea. But it's obvioius that he's done some good things for that school.
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Horrible first post mentioning those tool bags. But Welcome to Volnation!!
 
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THese are some good points but we can not look simply at the head to head matchups or we would say that Joker is a better coach and that simply is not true. We have to look at philosophies, Franklin is a cloud of SMoke with some mirrors and likes to mesmerize recruits by telling them that they can get into the SEC the easy way by going to Vandy. And CDD wants people to think that they have a legitimate shot of being better people and players by coming to TEnnessee. I fell CDD has a little more realism while Frankiln has mystical BS and when it comes to HS kids Franklin occasionally has the upperhand and CDD has the upperhand with parents.

I guess Franklin is like the guy you want to knock off the porch if he tries to date your daughter and CDD is the guy you would invite in for dinner.
 
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Can yall imagine the reaction on VN if he replaced CDD after a bad year this season!
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He is just there version of our Lane Kiffin. He gets a lot of attention and publicity for a school who has had little to none. He will get a higher profile job, where you can actually succeed for multiple years, and as soon as he leaves, tons of violations are going to come to light. Only thing is they won't be able to keep up the momentum to continue building, where as we were over a couple years able to begin restoring our program.
 
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Jame Franklin is just another, in the long line of coaches, that can get people excited for a little while at a traditional loser. Vandy is a loser program and they will always be. They are the U of Memphis in the SEC. Occasionally they will have a season that's good for their standards, but it can't be sustained. They are what they are and Franklin isn't going to change it.
 
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volnalcoa said:
Franklin has some hot sauce and, like it or not, he's bringing enthusiasm/attention and much better recruiting to Vandy. How else do you figure Vandy making the final three for players like Vonn Bell?

He's a lot like Lane Kiffin and most Vol fans loved his sizzle when he was working for the Big Orange. Whether he can coach....I have no idea. But it's obvioius that he's done some good things for that school.
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It's. This. Simple.
 
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I really really cant stand the guy but for some reason many on here think he stinks and want to give him absolutely zero credit.
The recruits he has gotten on campus thus far is impressive.
He had a nice season last year for a first year HC at a very hard place to win.

while im not really ready to say he is even a top 10 coach in the league.
I can say while the guy is a prick he had an impressive first year at Vandy we will see what happens this year without that nice group of seniors.
 
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Tarkus said:
Jame Franklin is just another, in the long line of coaches, that can get people excited for a little while at a traditional loser. Vandy is a loser program and they will always be. They are the U of Memphis in the SEC. Occasionally they will have a season that's good for their standards, but it can't be sustained. They are what they are and Franklin isn't going to change it.
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You are so wrong I don't even know where to begin.

Bobby Johnson did a fantastic job at Vandy, and while he was there his team was competitive enough that nobody including Georgia and Florida could afford to look past them.

You may not like Franklin, I dont either, but I respect the job he's doing. The biggest problem they had last year was not knowing how to close, and Rodger's inconsistency. They have 18 starters back, and there is no reason not to think they have improved. I mean hell, they had Arky down 18 points in the 4th quarter and were about 10 seconds away from beating Georgia.

They have a good squad, and saying "vandy will suck cause they always suck" is just ignorant. Franklin is also putting together a pretty damn good class for 13, and 10 states are represented. Looks kind of like a Stanford class and there's no reason (given time) they cant field a team of similar quality. The only thing preventing them from having Stanford's success is the SEC.

Vandy's rise will be short lived however cause Franklin will win 7 games, play very close with some ranked teams, then he will be off for the big payday and Vandy will screw up the new hire.
 
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bamahatr said:
You are so wrong I don't even know where to begin.

Bobby Johnson did a fantastic job at Vandy, and while he was there his team was competitive enough that nobody including Georgia and Florida could afford to look past them.

You may not like Franklin, I dont either, but I respect the job he's doing. The biggest problem they had last year was not knowing how to close, and Rodger's inconsistency. They have 18 starters back, and there is no reason not to think they have improved. I mean hell, they had Arky down 18 points in the 4th quarter and were about 10 seconds away from beating Georgia.

They have a good squad, and saying "vandy will suck cause they always suck" is just ignorant. Franklin is also putting together a pretty damn good class for 13, and 10 states are represented. Looks kind of like a Stanford class and there's no reason (given time) they cant field a team of similar quality. The only thing preventing them from having Stanford's success is the SEC.

Vandy's rise will be short lived however cause Franklin will win 7 games, play very close with some ranked teams, then he will be off for the big payday and Vandy will screw up the new hire.
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And what the other poster said isn't that far fetched. Vandy is and always will be Vandy. A 7-5 or, hell, a 8-4 season will feel like a national title season to them, but they'll never be able to sustain that every year. They never have and never will. Why? Because Franklin won't be around long and eventually they'll have a string of injuries like any team and that will hurt them and they still don't have the depth that other elite SEC teams have.

This isn't the Pac-12. They may try to model themselves after Stanford, but Stanford never had to play against SEC defenses.
 
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