This is transparency??

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gsvol

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The Obama administration has directed defense officials to sign a pledge stating they will not share 2010 budget data with individuals outside the federal government.

“Under no circumstances will I disclose such information outside the Department of Defense and other government agencies directly involved in the defense planning and resource-allocation process, such as the Office of Management and Budget,” the agreement said.
 
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I just don't get how this doesn't see the light of day given the bluster we hear about transparency.
 
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They talked about this on NPR the other day. I think its retarded. More and more talk is coming out about the realities of this administration.
 
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volinbham said:
I just don't get how this doesn't see the light of day given the bluster we hear about transparency.
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had this been given the time to have been over viewed by the public, there would have been outrage over all the crap loaded into this thing
 
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Are you sure this isn't a gsvol-esque unsubstantiable special report from the fringe web?
 
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Even if this is untrue, the bill was passed through in such a way as to prevent the details from becoming public until it was already law.
 
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volinbham said:
So far it's one story from The Defense News.

Assuming it's true - how will you feel about it?
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Politics is politics. Bush did what he could to supress information about certain of his administration's policies from becoming part of the public domain as well. And to a point I agree with the need to be able to maintain a *degree* of secrecy in pursuit of strategic objectives. Of course, the potential for abuse is there with Obama as it was with Bush, and in general it's not the sort of thing I would support.

Is it possible this story has been put out to deflect from the fact that Obama hasn't cut defense spending as probable was generally thought on the right?
 
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gsvol said:
The Obama administration has directed defense officials to sign a pledge stating they will not share 2010 budget data with individuals outside the federal government.

“Under no circumstances will I disclose such information outside the Department of Defense and other government agencies directly involved in the defense planning and resource-allocation process, such as the Office of Management and Budget,” the agreement said.
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Legally,I don't think they can do that.The first news agency to take it to court wins hands down.
 
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jdsa said:
Politics is politics. Bush did what he could to supress information about certain of his administration's policies from becoming part of the public domain as well. And to a point I agree with the need to be able to maintain a *degree* of secrecy in pursuit of strategic objectives. Of course, the potential for abuse is there with Obama as it was with Bush, and in general it's not the sort of thing I would support.

Is it possible this story has been put out to deflect from the fact that Obama hasn't cut defense spending as probable was generally thought on the right?
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On your first point - the point of the thread is that Obama is again going back on a promise he made. Like a bible thumper being caught cheating on his wife, the issue here is the hypocrisy.

So, the real question is whether or not there is any buyer's remorse on buying into his campaign rhetoric. A major criticism of his opponents was that he was as "politics as usual as the next guy". We are seeing recurring examples where that criticism was founded.

On the second issue, I'm not sure what you are talking about.
 
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T-TownVol said:
What's good for Chicago.......
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But it may be another two years before Cook County Judge Sheila McGinnis is disciplined by the authorities who oversee Illinois judges - if they discipline her, according to the executive director of the Illinois Judicial Inquiry Board.

McGinnis, a cousin of Chicago Mayor Richard Daley, continues to draw a $150,000 judge's salary from the county. She was transferred from a criminal courtroom to administrative duties at the Daley Center after her arrest last summer.

Secrecy governs the process by which judges are disciplined in Illinois, meaning the JIB cannot reveal if an official complaint has been made against McGinnis in her role as a judge, JIB executive director Kathy Twine said.

Twine declined to say how long it would take for McGinnis' case to be dealt with, or even if a complaint has been made, but she added, "some cases take a year, or two years - it depends on the circumstances."

Her attorney, Jeff Aprati, said he had "no idea" the Jan. 20 court date would coincide with Obama's inauguration when he requested the date Nov. 14.

Yeah right!!! I can agree with the 'no idea' part.
 
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jdsa said:
Are you sure this isn't a gsvol-esque unsubstantiable special report from the fringe web?
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Is that your transubstantiation?

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crazyguy said:
They talked about this on NPR the other day. I think its retarded. More and more talk is coming out about the realities of this administration.
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That's a big surprise, NPR???

Another retarded move:

A Black September terrorist who served only about half his 30-year sentence for planting three car bombs in New York City in 1973 was released Thursday into the custody of immigration officials to be deported.

Al-Jawary's release date was set for Thursday after he was credited with time served before his sentencing and good behavior.

Rusnok declined to say where Al-Jawary was being held as he awaits deportation. It's also not clear when Al-Jawary will be deported or where he will be sent. The mysterious terrorist had many aliases and was known to use fake passports from Jordan, Iraq and France.

Retired FBI agents John Syron and Jim Phelan, who worked the case in 1973, said freeing Al-Jawary was a mistake.

"Bad move," Phelan said. "He's not going to change."

(not mentioned in the article, about the same time, Black September terrorist agents raided a reception at the Saudi embassy in Khartoum, Sudan and took American diplomats into the basement and on the personal orders of Yasser Arafat, which we had on tape via NSA telephone intercepts, and brutally murdered them. They lined our guys up against the wall and started firing on them with automatic weapons, gradually working their way up so as to inflict as much pain as possible.)gs

(PS; I don't think too much of Obama's new director of NSA and the CIA director is an outright joke.)gs

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Khalid Duhham Al-Jawary (my uninformed guess he is/was an agent of Iraqi intelligence.)gs

Gee where is KPT??? This guy doesn't look any more dark skinned than myself. Guess that shoots a large hole in KPT's whole simplistic plan!!!!
 
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volinbham said:
On your first point - the point of the thread is that Obama is again going back on a promise he made. Like a bible thumper being caught cheating on his wife, the issue here is the hypocrisy.

So, the real question is whether or not there is any buyer's remorse on buying into his campaign rhetoric. A major criticism of his opponents was that he was as "politics as usual as the next guy". We are seeing recurring examples where that criticism was founded.
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Doesn't that sort of depend on your interpretation of transparency? You seem to have interpretted it to mean some sort of naive honesty, but I'm not sure I see it beng quite so unequivocal. The reasons for this move aren't clear, and it may turn out that they have some legitimacy.

When Obama's fabricated the evidence to lead the country into war, I'll be the first to acknowledge his failure to live up to his campaign promise.
 
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jdsa said:
Doesn't that sort of depend on your interpretation of transparency? You seem to have interpretted it to mean some sort of naive honesty, but I'm not sure I see it beng quite so unequivocal. The reasons for this move aren't clear, and it may turn out that they have some legitimacy.

When Obama's fabricated the evidence to lead the country into war, I'll be the first to acknowledge his failure to live up to his campaign promise.
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I think putting a gag order on people and only discussing the top line budget number rather than where that money will go certainly falls under the "transparency" issue.
 
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jdsa said:
Doesn't that sort of depend on your interpretation of transparency? You seem to have interpretted it to mean some sort of naive honesty, but I'm not sure I see it beng quite so unequivocal. The reasons for this move aren't clear, and it may turn out that they have some legitimacy.

When Obama's fabricated the evidence to lead the country into war, I'll be the first to acknowledge his failure to live up to his campaign promise.
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It's absolute hypocrisy and it's very communistic not to divulge our defense spending budget and its allocations. Pure garbage.
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jdsa said:
Doesn't that sort of depend on your interpretation of transparency? You seem to have interpretted it to mean some sort of naive honesty, but I'm not sure I see it beng quite so unequivocal. The reasons for this move aren't clear, and it may turn out that they have some legitimacy.

When Obama's fabricated the evidence to lead the country into war, I'll be the first to acknowledge his failure to live up to his campaign promise.
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jdsa is a writer for MSNBC
 
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BigPapaVol said:
It's absolute hypocrisy and it's very communistic not to divulge our defense spending budget and its allocations. Pure garbage.
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Though I'm inclined to agree, do we know enough to jump to a conclusion like that yet? The blurb we have doesn't entirely illuminate the policy which its referring to. If it's even true, it may not have quite the significance the article gave it.
 
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