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rexvol

rexvol

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Want to know why this year was down in recruiting?


The competition picked up when Urban Meyer was hired at Florida three years ago. His last three recruiting classes have all ranked among the nation's best, and his 2007 class was a consensus No. 1.
Nick Saban's recruiting resume is as impressive as Meyer's.
In his first full year at Alabama, Saban recruited the No. 1-ranked class in the country. That's not an aberration. That's his track record.
Not only did Saban get the best players out of Alabama, he proved he could lure top prospects from Tennessee. And he's just getting started.
 
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rexvol said:
Want to know why this year was down in recruiting?


The competition picked up when Urban Meyer was hired at Florida three years ago. His last three recruiting classes have all ranked among the nation's best, and his 2007 class was a consensus No. 1.
Nick Saban's recruiting resume is as impressive as Meyer's.
In his first full year at Alabama, Saban recruited the No. 1-ranked class in the country. That's not an aberration. That's his track record.
Not only did Saban get the best players out of Alabama, he proved he could lure top prospects from Tennessee.
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And he's just getting started.

Who wrote this?? Why would having a #1 class this year mean he always will? Historically, we have great recruiting. This is a down year, but there's no reason that we will continue to not have good classes. These kids, and they are kids, like the new hotness. These new coaches can come in and say "oh yeah, i'm new, fresh, and I want you to help bring _____________ back to prominence." Once you get a great kid or two, they just keep coming. We needed a couple high quality guys to get the ball rolling, and it didn't happen.
 
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I will say this... It is not easy to out-recruit Saban, Meyer, Richt, and Les Miles, especially when they have a good amount of in-state talent, and we don't.
 
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lacrossepro70 said:
I will say this... It is not easy to out-recruit Saban, Meyer, Richt, and Les Miles, especially when they have a good amount of in-state talent, and we don't.
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Tennessee's population is equal to or larger than Louisiana, South Carolina, Alabama, Arkansas and Mississippi. How is our recruiting base smaller?

Can't wait to see the responses to this...
 
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How do you fix the over crowded jail problem? Stop recruiting out of state!
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Tennessee's population is equal to or larger than Louisiana, South Carolina, Alabama, Arkansas and Mississippi. How is our recruiting base smaller?

Can't wait to see the responses to this...
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It doesn't have anything to do with population. It has to do with in-state talent. There are more athletes is Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Florida and quite possibly South Carolina than in Tennessee.
 
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rexvol said:
Want to know why this year was down in recruiting?


The competition picked up when Urban Meyer was hired at Florida three years ago. His last three recruiting classes have all ranked among the nation's best, and his 2007 class was a consensus No. 1.
Nick Saban's recruiting resume is as impressive as Meyer's.
In his first full year at Alabama, Saban recruited the No. 1-ranked class in the country. That's not an aberration. That's his track record.
Not only did Saban get the best players out of Alabama, he proved he could lure top prospects from Tennessee. And he's just getting started.
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Sounds like something John Adams would write. :whistling:
 
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Don't be ignorant guys, Saban is a force to be reckoned with when it comes to recruiting. I guess it's pretty easy when your boosters provide enough funding to buy each and every recruit that comes in. But seriously, how can anyone possibly think that Saban's recruiting this year won't become a trend? HE GOT THE OVERWHELMING #1 RECRUITING CLASS AFTER A .500 SEASON IN WHICH THEY BARELY MADE A BOWL GAME. We are SCREWED as long as Saban is around (as far as AL and alot of Memphis talent). Fulmer is going to have to formulate a strategic alternative (recruit new areas, go head to head with weaker recruiters and many fewer resources, etc.). On the bright side though, Saban will probably be gone in no time flat. As soon as he starts winning he'll probably ask for $10 million a year. He's a greedy slimeball like that...
 
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tclowers23 said:
It doesn't have anything to do with population. It has to do with in-state talent. There are more athletes is Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Florida and quite possibly South Carolina than in Tennessee.
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Still don't see how a state with more or equal population can't keep pace. Is it something in Tennessee that prevents us from producing talent?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Still don't see how a state with more or equal population can't keep pace. Is it something in Tennessee that prevents us from producing talent?
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I've been told that some of it has to do with the weight restrictions in little league programs here in Tennessee. Apparently other states don't have these limits or so I'm told. I do know that when I played little league ball double stripers could play only on the line.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Tennessee's population is equal to or larger than Louisiana, South Carolina, Alabama, Arkansas and Mississippi. How is our recruiting base smaller?

Can't wait to see the responses to this...
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Tennessee's quality of football isn't as good as 4 of the 5... at least not according to the recruiting svcs. TN and Ark are about the same. Between those two, whose recruiting and field performance would you take?
 
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tclowers23 said:
It doesn't have anything to do with population. It has to do with in-state talent. There are more athletes is Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Florida and quite possibly South Carolina than in Tennessee.
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Sorry but I disagree with this too.

You can't compare the larger population states like Florida.

I am fairly certain that Tn has a larger population than the other states mentioned. Someone mentioned that other states start kids earlier and I've found that to be true. But still there are other organizational and quality of play advantages in these states.

Populations in 2007 rounded and 4-5* players in 2007 according to Rivals:

Tn- 6.2 million, 5
SC- 4.4 million, 12
AR- 2.8 million, 5
MS- 2.9 million, 8
AL- 4.6 million, 16
LA- 4.3 million, 11

According to this, Tn should routinely produce between 15-20 4-5* players... that would provide UT a basis of about 10 players every year to build on like their competition has.

If you guys want Tn recruiting to get better then volunteer your time to coaching peewees and help move your legislature/HS athletic association to emulate other states.

For instance Tn might benefit from allowing kids from non-football schools to play at near by football schools. Schools that are small but close could be consolidated at least in athletics to raise the level of competition. Some of it is just the will of HS parents and boosters to hire coaches that will bring them success. Quarles is fairly unique in Tn... Do you think he'd stand out in GA?

SC I think has something called the Big 16. The 16 biggest schools in the state are seperated from the rest of the 4A schools and have their own play-off. It is very competitive.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Still don't see how a state with more or equal population can't keep pace. Is it something in Tennessee that prevents us from producing talent?
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I can't speak for middle and west TN, but almost noone in east TN has a middle school football program. Kids show up in high school, and sometimes play football. Further, the school sizes are small, so the best athletes might end up spread thin over different sports. Not many schools can get a ton of athletes in one sport. Further, there's not much coaching up going on here. Kids do some 2 a days, but not much real strength and conditioning. East TN football, with some exceptions, is just not that good.
 
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Another thing. Tn isn't long N to S. If you are a booster of a HS team then try to get them to play teams from Ark, MS, NC, VA, AL, and GA. They need the measuring stick... and I'm not talking about a Chattanooga school playing Chickamauga... but more like them taking on one of the Atl area schools, LaGrange, Statesboro, Valdosta, or someone like that.
 
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Rasputin, jwells hits on something that Tn residents can and SHOULD do. They should solicit their legislators to appropriate start up funds for Jr High and Middle School football programs. You can often if not always sustain a program with concessions, donations, tickets, and local taxes. Start up costs are high.
 
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sjt18 said:
Another thing. Tn isn't long N to S. If you are a booster of a HS team then try to get them to play teams from Ark, MS, NC, VA, AL, and GA. They need the measuring stick... and I'm not talking about a Chattanooga school playing Chickamauga... but more like them taking on one of the Atl area schools, LaGrange, Statesboro, Valdosta, or someone like that.
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Speaking of that, does anyone think that the fact that TN borders 11 other states has an effect. Kids in TN especially west TN are closer to other states than they are to knoxville. I mean does anyone know that stats on the regular students and where they go to school? Are the defections as great among them as well?
 
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Unfortunately, it's not easy to deal with the same legislature that sponsored "tin care" and therefore brought down the status of UT from what it was.
 
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