This would be Awesome!!!! Saban to Packers?

[give_him 6]

In a unrelated story, an unnamed source claims Dan Mullen is the next Butch Jones.

I wish that ridiculous thread would be deleted.

 

[SandoVOL]

SI with an article on why Saban should take the Packers Job!!

This would be a great thing.....for College football!!! Please, Please Please!!

Why Nick Saban coaching the Packers makes sense

And take Kirby as DC

 

[Lawrence Wright]

I wish that ridiculous thread would be deleted.

That thread is a case study on how to generate traffic on an internet message board for all the wrong reasons.

 

[dobre_shunka]

Can’t cheat and hoard talent in the NFL, not happening.

Belichick and Brady disagree with the first part of that.

 

[alaVOL]

In a unrelated story, an unnamed source claims Dan Mullen is the next Butch Jones.

Truly fake news. Mullen can build a program and coach in the SEC successfully. Butch hasn't proven that he can do either. Mullen is a solid coach, whom I'd been proud to get as our coach last year. I still believe that Pruitt will be successful though. GBO

 

[Lawrence Wright]

Truly fake news. Mullen can build a program and coach in the SEC successfully. Butch hasn't proven that he can do either. Mullen is a solid coach, whom I'd been proud to get as our coach last year. I still believe that Pruitt will be successful though. GBO

I’m just the messenger.

 

[onevol74]

I look for Harbaugh to take this job. Would like to see Saban to Michigan so he could do something no other coach has ever done. Win National Championships at 3 different schools.

 

[Jax_Vol]

Hearing that Saban's wife is looking at property on the frozen tundra.

 

[DWright39]

5 to 7 years I think coach Saban decides he's won enough. He retires as the second-winningest head coach in Alabama folklore. He gets his own wing in the Paul Bear Bryant Museum.

Been wanting to ask a bama fan this... Saban or The Bear?

 

[bamawriter]

Been wanting to ask a bama fan this... Saban or The Bear?

Saban. It's way tougher to win these days.

 

[Grand Vol]

Saban. It's way tougher to win these days.

Perhaps.

However, could you imagine some of the players these days getting hit like they did back in the days of leather helmets and minimal pads?

 

[BowlBrother85]

Saban. It's way tougher to win these days.

And Bear Bryant had a couple of bad years in the middle of his career (1969 and 1970). That hasn't happened to Saban... and doesn't look like it's ever going to. His consistency is remarkable.

 

[LibertyVol]

I would have thought longshot anyways like many have stated with his easy way of piling on his legacy folklore. But seeing Gruden out for long time of NFL coaching and struggle if I were Saban I know its not gonna be easy getting it going. And at his age he might not be able to do it.

He wouldn't be able to do it in the pros. He tried and flopped. It is easy to win with the best players.

 

[TUSKtimes]

Been wanting to ask a bama fan this... Saban or The Bear?

You don't mess with the "Babe Ruth" of college football. With all the wins, championships, coach Bryant was leading the Crimson Tide through decades of social issues in the deep south and tearing up the record books as he did it. His legacy is beyond what the record books tell you in Alabama

Comparing the beauty pageant era with the BCS and 4 team playoff is a waste of time. On top of that, you were contractually obligated to certain bowls, so only a few times in history was it even possible for #1 and #2 to meet on a playing field and settle it. They played 10 or 11 regular season games and many a NC team never played a bowl game even in the 1960s. No directional schools invited. Imagine, like today, the posturing that goes into getting your team to the CCG and playoffs. How that would have changed every past team's physical approach and mental preparedness. Just a different sport.

For what it's worth: Finally, this asinine argument that coach Bryant just recruited who he wanted? Total Mythology. The University didn't recruit an African American until 1970. It took a few years even then to genuinely start loading up on the best players in our own state, much less nationally. Most of his teams were cornbread country boys that loved football.

We love what coach Saban is doing at Bama and it's really a historical run by all measures. But it's a new era of college football that has made a true NC possible. You at least have to start with that premise to even compare and that's why you can't reasonably do so.

When it comes to winning a football game, coach Bryant would take his and beat yours and yours and beat his. Any place, any time. And still GOAT!

 

[Aesius]

Saban would be so out of his element coaching in the NFL. Especially a superstar QB like Rodgers who is 10x more famous than him. If he was going to make the move he would have done it 5 years ago. He's at Bama until he retires.

 

[MSUDuo]

Can’t cheat and hoard talent in the NFL, not happening. Saban is a recruiter and manager, not an actual coach that can win against equal talent week after week.

So I guess the SEC isn't as strong as everyone wants to think then. Can't have it both ways.

 

[LouderVol]

You don't mess with the "Babe Ruth" of college football. With all the wins, championships, coach Bryant was leading the Crimson Tide through decades of social issues in the deep south and tearing up the record books as he did it. His legacy is beyond what the record books tell you in Alabama

Comparing the beauty pageant era with the BCS and 4 team playoff is a waste of time. On top of that, you were contractually obligated to certain bowls, so only a few times in history was it even possible for #1 and #2 to meet on a playing field and settle it. They played 10 or 11 regular season games and many a NC team never played a bowl game even in the 1960s. No directional schools invited. Imagine, like today, the posturing that goes into getting your team to the CCG and playoffs. How that would have changed every past team's physical approach and mental preparedness. Just a different sport.

For what it's worth: Finally, this asinine argument that coach Bryant just recruited who he wanted? Total Mythology. The University didn't recruit an African American until 1970. It took a few years even then to genuinely start loading up on the best players in our own state, much less nationally. Most of his teams were cornbread country boys that loved football.

We love what coach Saban is doing at Bama and it's really a historical run by all measures. But it's a new era of college football that has made a true NC possible. You at least have to start with that premise to even compare and that's why you can't reasonably do so.

When it comes to winning a football game, coach Bryant would take his and beat yours and yours and beat his. Any place, any time. And still GOAT!

ok UK vs UT. how did that play out with Bryant?

 

[05_never_again]

You don't mess with the "Babe Ruth" of college football. With all the wins, championships, coach Bryant was leading the Crimson Tide through decades of social issues in the deep south and tearing up the record books as he did it. His legacy is beyond what the record books tell you in Alabama

Comparing the beauty pageant era with the BCS and 4 team playoff is a waste of time. On top of that, you were contractually obligated to certain bowls, so only a few times in history was it even possible for #1 and #2 to meet on a playing field and settle it. They played 10 or 11 regular season games and many a NC team never played a bowl game even in the 1960s. No directional schools invited. Imagine, like today, the posturing that goes into getting your team to the CCG and playoffs. How that would have changed every past team's physical approach and mental preparedness. Just a different sport.

For what it's worth: Finally, this asinine argument that coach Bryant just recruited who he wanted? Total Mythology. The University didn't recruit an African American until 1970. It took a few years even then to genuinely start loading up on the best players in our own state, much less nationally. Most of his teams were cornbread country boys that loved football.

We love what coach Saban is doing at Bama and it's really a historical run by all measures. But it's a new era of college football that has made a true NC possible. You at least have to start with that premise to even compare and that's why you can't reasonably do so.

When it comes to winning a football game, coach Bryant would take his and beat yours and yours and beat his. Any place, any time. And still GOAT!

Saban will never be the figure or the icon that Bryant was and still is.

However, I think it's pretty clear that what Saban has done on the field is more impressive than what Bryant did. Saban is coaching in an era with scholarship limits and a much greater competitive balance. He can rely on "beauty pageant" type stuff to help him get into the CFP if needed (like last year), but once he's in he actually has to win 2 games to win it all. A team isn't supposed to be able to be this dominant anymore, but it is, and Saban is actually more dominant season-to-season than Bryant was. Bryant had a down period from 1967-70 where if he was coaching in today's climate, he might have been fired. Saban hasn't approached anything like that. If you exclude Saban's first season, he's only had one year where Alabama wasn't a factor for the title at the end of the season (2010).

The thing that has always amazed me about Saban, and I haven't seen any other coach able to do this, is that his teams never come out flat, seem unprepared, or look disinterested. Every other coach in history, where it be Saban's contemporaries or legendary coaches from the past, had occasional inexplicable losses to vastly inferior teams where their teams looked disinterested or "not ready to play." Saban doesn't win every single game, and there are games where Alabama doesn't bring their A+ game, but when he does lose it seems like it always takes some magical event or player to beat him. They never lose games because they appear to have underestimated an opponent or because of a lack of effort, and given how good they have been over the years, that'd be easy to do. Especially 18-21 year old kids. How he keeps each team focused, motivated, and not "mailing it in" is beyond me.

 

[TUSKtimes]

Saban will never be the figure or the icon that Bryant was and still is.

However, I think it's pretty clear that what Saban has done on the field is more impressive than what Bryant did. Saban is coaching in an era with scholarship limits and a much greater competitive balance. He can rely on "beauty pageant" type stuff to help him get into the CFP if needed (like last year), but once he's in he actually has to win 2 games to win it all. A team isn't supposed to be able to be this dominant anymore, but it is, and Saban is actually more dominant season-to-season than Bryant was. Bryant had a down period from 1967-70 where if he was coaching in today's climate, he might have been fired. Saban hasn't approached anything like that. If you exclude Saban's first season, he's only had one year where Alabama wasn't a factor for the title at the end of the season (2010).

The thing that has always amazed me about Saban, and I haven't seen any other coach able to do this, is that his teams never come out flat, seem unprepared, or look disinterested. Every other coach in history, where it be Saban's contemporaries or legendary coaches from the past, had occasional inexplicable losses to vastly inferior teams where their teams looked disinterested or "not ready to play." Saban doesn't win every single game, and there are games where Alabama doesn't bring their A+ game, but when he does lose it seems like it always takes some magical event or player to beat him. They never lose games because they appear to have underestimated an opponent or because of a lack of effort, and given how good they have been over the years, that'd be easy to do. Especially 18-21 year old kids. How he keeps each team focused, motivated, and not "mailing it in" is beyond me.

A lot of your thoughts are more selective memory than fact. For example:

Saban is coaching in an era with scholarship limits and a much greater competitive balance.

And yet almost every year Bama could literally put a 5 star at every position on the team. 7 straight #1 recruiting classes, the last thing vols speak of over here is Alabama and competitive balance. And righly so.

Here's coach Saban's record when he isn't dominating recruiting on the Alabama level:

Michigan State:
1995 - 6-5-1
1996 - 6-6
1997 - 7-5
1998 - 6-6
1999 - 9-2

LSU:
2000 - 8-4
2001 - 10-3
2003 - 13-1
2004 - 9-3

Not one back to back 10 win season in the bunch. Coach Bryant won everywhere he went. Including a Southwest Conference championship at Texas A&M and a SEC championship at Kentucky. Including a claimed National Championship.

The thing that has always amazed me about Saban, and I haven't seen any other coach able to do this, is that his teams never come out flat, seem unprepared, or look disinterested. Every other coach in history, where it be Saban's contemporaries or legendary coaches from the past, had occasional inexplicable losses to vastly inferior teams where their teams looked disinterested or "not ready to play." Saban doesn't win every single game, and there are games where Alabama doesn't bring their A+ game, but when he does lose it seems like it always takes some magical event or player to beat him. They never lose games because they appear to have underestimated an opponent or because of a lack of effort, and given how good they have been over the years, that'd be easy to do. Especially 18-21 year old kids. How he keeps each team focused, motivated, and not "mailing it in" is beyond me.

I submit you take a little closer look at coach Saban when his teams weren't in the BCS or 4 team playoff: You know, just going to a bowl like they did over 100 years before 1992.

1995 loss
1996 loss
1997 loss
2002 loss

Perhaps you recall what happened to an Alabama team in 2008 in the Sugar Bowl against an inferior Utah team.

Then in 2013 again in the Sugar bowl, they again lost to a heavy underdog Oklahoma team.

Big difference in getting a team emotionally ready to play in a winner takes all format and one of these beauty pageant games we speak of.

 

[DeepSpringsVol]

He wouldn't be able to do it in the pros. He tried and flopped. It is easy to win with the best players.

Yeah and it would be worth one more experiment if money were the issue. Its not the 80s or 90s. Nowadays the top NCAA coaches get paid comparable money to NFL jobs. Bams would match to a very large amount offered from an NFL franchise.

 

[05_never_again]

A lot of your thoughts are more selective memory than fact. For example:



And yet almost every year Bama could literally put a 5 star at every position on the team. 7 straight #1 recruiting classes, the last thing vols speak of over here is Alabama and competitive balance. And righly so.

Here's coach Saban's record when he isn't dominating recruiting on the Alabama level:

Michigan State:
1995 - 6-5-1
1996 - 6-6
1997 - 7-5
1998 - 6-6
1999 - 9-2

LSU:
2000 - 8-4
2001 - 10-3
2003 - 13-1
2004 - 9-3

Not one back to back 10 win season in the bunch. Coach Bryant won everywhere he went. Including a Southwest Conference championship at Texas A&M and a SEC championship at Kentucky. Including a claimed National Championship.




I submit you take a little closer look at coach Saban when his teams weren't in the BCS or 4 team playoff: You know, just going to a bowl like they did over 100 years before 1992.

1995 loss
1996 loss
1997 loss
2002 loss

Perhaps you recall what happened to an Alabama team in 2008 in the Sugar Bowl against an inferior Utah team.

Then in 2013 again in the Sugar bowl, they again lost to a heavy underdog Oklahoma team.

Big difference in getting a team emotionally ready to play in a winner takes all format and one of these beauty pageant games we speak of.

I should have clarified - when I said "Saban" in that post, I meant Saban at Alabama.

I suppose the 2008 Sugar Bowl was an exception. The 2013 Sugar Bowl...Bama might have been a heavy favorite, but that was a good Oklahoma team. Both games had a heavy "letdown" effect, but I never got the impression in watching that game that Alabama wasn't ready to play.

Is there an example of Saban, post 2007, of his team coming out flatter than a pancake in a "must win" type of game? I don't think so. Basically all other great coaches have numerous examples of that. Saban, not so much.

Also, I'm surprised as an Alabama fan even you kind of invoke the "well, he always has the most talented team" argument. What else is Saban supposed to do...not get top talent? He gets the most talented teams because no one develops talent better than him. College football is riddled with coaches who recruit well but don't adequately develop the talent or can't tactically coach.

If Saban was coaching Tennessee's 2015 and 2016 teams (meaning he recruited and developed them), we probably win the SEC those years and would have a shot at a title. Hell, even Butch was just a couple plays away from 10-2 with the 2015 team. I submit that if Butch was able to coach at Alabama with the exact teams Saban has had, he'd lose 2-3 games per year that he shouldn't and never win a single national title, and perhaps not even win an SEC title.

 

[TUSKtimes]

I should have clarified - when I said "Saban" in that post, I meant Saban at Alabama.

I suppose the 2008 Sugar Bowl was an exception. The 2013 Sugar Bowl...Bama might have been a heavy favorite, but that was a good Oklahoma team. Both games had a heavy "letdown" effect, but I never got the impression in watching that game that Alabama wasn't ready to play.

Is there an example of Saban, post 2007, of his team coming out flatter than a pancake in a "must win" type of game? I don't think so. Basically all other great coaches have numerous examples of that. Saban, not so much.

Also, I'm surprised as an Alabama fan even you kind of invoke the "well, he always has the most talented team" argument. What else is Saban supposed to do...not get top talent? He gets the most talented teams because no one develops talent better than him. College football is riddled with coaches who recruit well but don't adequately develop the talent or can't tactically coach.

If Saban was coaching Tennessee's 2015 and 2016 teams (meaning he recruited and developed them), we probably win the SEC those years and would have a shot at a title. Hell, even Butch was just a couple plays away from 10-2 with the 2015 team. I submit that if Butch was able to coach at Alabama with the exact teams Saban has had, he'd lose 2-3 games per year that he shouldn't and never win a single national title, and perhaps not even win an SEC title.

At this point, you are making my point. A great coach, is a great coach, is a great coach. The fact that coach Bryant did it everywhere he went just supports my feelings he was the greatest.

Coach Saban and his overall record prove he wasn't that great coach until he got to Alabama with the advantages that the best recruits, best football facilities, best football administration can provide.

 

[05_never_again]

At this point, you are making my point. A great coach, is a great coach, is a great coach. The fact that coach Bryant did it everywhere he went just supports my feelings he was the greatest.

Coach Saban and his overall record prove he wasn't that great coach until he got to Alabama with the advantages that the best recruits, best football facilities, best football administration can provide.

But he did win a national title at LSU. It isn't like he was some scrub there. That program was a total mess when he arrived and LSU doesn't have the history to fall back on when they are a mess like Alabama does. His national title in year 4 at LSU might have been a more difficult achievement than a national title in year 3 at Alabama.

I'd argue that Saban has the best facilities and best admin because he is the coach that he is. If Saban wasn't good to the extent that he was, the admin wouldn't write blank checks for him and do whatever he wanted. He gets the support from the school that he does because he's so good. Correct me if I'm wrong, but most of the bend over backwards-type support he's gotten in his Alabama career came after he won a couple titles and had the machine running. I don't think they started doing that kind of stuff for him immediately.

 

[TUSKtimes]

But he did win a national title at LSU. It isn't like he was some scrub there. That program was a total mess when he arrived and LSU doesn't have the history to fall back on when they are a mess like Alabama does. His national title in year 4 at LSU might have been a more difficult achievement than a national title in year 3 at Alabama.

I'd argue that Saban has the best facilities and best admin because he is the coach that he is. If Saban wasn't good to the extent that he was, the admin wouldn't write blank checks for him and do whatever he wanted. He gets the support from the school that he does because he's so good. Correct me if I'm wrong, but most of the bend over backwards-type support he's gotten in his Alabama career came after he won a couple titles and had the machine running. I don't think they started doing that kind of stuff for him immediately.

They did the exact thing for coach Bryant. Most great coaches will get that. He was also our AD, so complete control over the entire sport's programs is what he enjoyed. But, again, even at other programs, like Maryland, Texas A&M, and Kentucky, who knows very little about college football, he still won a lot of games.

Bama never ventured far from having the best facilities. Are you sure you get Bama's historical place in college football?

As far as your wonderment for LSU football, they have always had the recruits back to Cholly Mac and won their fair share with the likes of Bert Jones, Charles Alexander, Tommy Cassanova. The state has produced great talent for decades. Bama has been dipping in that state since the likes of Tommy Wilcox. Like Georgia, all they will ever need is a good general.

 

[05_never_again]

Bama never ventured far from having the best facilities. Are you sure you get Bama's historical place in college football?

Of course I am. I'm pretty sure Shula, Fran, or DuBose didn't get the same admin support Saban gets though. Even Saban himself didn't get the same admin support he gets now when he first arrived.