Thoughts about where we could end up with Recruiting

#26
#26
Call me crazy but don't be surprised if GA ends up with the number one class. I just enjoy the fact that TN has always recrutied GA good and has a little bit of a foot hold down there because everybody is hitting GA hard these days. GO VOLS!
 
#27
#27
somewhere between 7/8 and 14/15. To many un committed 5 stars left and many teams with higher averages that will fill out their class. The reality is that it doesn't matter at all. Either Butch is right about the guys he wants and they buy in and come here, or not. As has been revealed, the rankings are mostly based on the number of offers and the perceived stature of the teams offering, not as much on objective data. If Butch gets the guys he wants, and he is who we think he is, then we will be successful regardless of what rank we get.
 
#28
#28
crusse10 said:
To be fair, he was successful in the time he was here. He had a respectable YPC even though he played through injuries all season.
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It isn't basketball. IMO, if you only get one year out of a guy, it's a bust.

When the #1 guy commits to a school, the #2, 3 guys commit somewhere else. It even impacts the guys shopping schools that are in the next year's class. Signing the superstar means somebody else gets the next best . If they get 2-3 years production out of #2 and we get only one year from our guy, they win, IMO.
 
#29
#29
We have a great recruiting class regardless of where the ranking ends up!

Just get them in here and coach em up Butch!!



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#30
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utvols74 said:
I just hope the "heralded recruits" live up to their billing. We've had our share of 5* busts. If the 4-5* live up to expectations and CBJ can "coach up" some 3*s, then I like very much our chances as long as everyone pays attention to fundamentals and plays like a team.

Speaking of which, and this is just my opinion, I wish for at least one season (team 118?) that they'd take the names off the backs of jerseys. Most avid football fans know who they are anyway. I think this promotes team play at the expense of individualism.
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Leave the names on the jerseys. I like it that way.

:p
 
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#31
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SaintLouisVol said:
It isn't basketball. IMO, if you only get one year out of a guy, it's a bust.

When the #1 guy commits to a school, the #2, 3 guys commit somewhere else. It even impacts the guys shopping schools that are in the next year's class. Signing the superstar means somebody else gets the next best . If they get 2-3 years production out of #2 and we get only one year from our guy, they win, IMO.
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I disagree. A bust is determined by what a guy does at the school while he is there. If a top talent suddenly found out that he had an irregular heart condition and could no longer play, he wouldn't be a bust in my eyes. I would evaluate his time contributing and appreciate it for what it was.
 
#32
#32
Most years 2362 points put your team in the top five and we haven't finished getting commitments yet. This will be a top five class provided we hang onto who we currently have. It has a lot of needs addressed and has a ton of talent in it. We honestly haven't seen this kind of class in several years.
 
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#33
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TAF said:
* chaser
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We will finish strong but if we finish behind teams in our own conference, then that isn't good.

A 3rd place finish behind Alabama & Florida is still a 3rd place finish but you want to be the 1st in your conference.

That is similiar to being Steve Young and being the 2nd best q.b. in the NFL but the best q.b. in the NFL is Montana, who is the starter on your team. What good is that?
 
#34
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DaddyChad said:
Most years 2362 points put your team in the top five and we haven't finished getting commitments yet. This will be a top five class provided we hang onto who we currently have. It has a lot of needs addressed and has a ton of talent in it. We honestly haven't seen this kind of class in several years.
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Alot of the top 15 teams only has 14-17 commits... We will be jumped out of top 5.. jmo
 
#35
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Monkey Wrench said:
there has to be a limit somewhere, 20 is just a good of limit as anywhere.
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Why does there have to be a limit? With that logic we could say that tn is 4-0 bc the oregon and florida games dont count bc they were not as good of games as the others and the georgia game was one that they exceeded expectations. Therefore the limits imposed could have tn undefeated
 
#36
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crusse10 said:
I contend that if his dad hadn't messed with his head following that first season, that he'd have been a 1st rounder. Hell, he steals endzone carries from Shady as a 7th rounder after basically taking off 2 years.
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He gets "breather" carries and that's about it and the drop in production is very clear. Shady hits the hole. Brown gets stuffed.

crusse10 said:
But he didn't even play at Florida. It's hard to say that a freshman who had to play behind a 2nd round draft pick (in the SEC) underperformed, considering he was over 4 YPC and had a lingering injury with 4 TDs.
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Yes he did. I believe he scored against UT in 2007.

Rudy123 said:
We will finish strong but if we finish behind teams in our own conference, then that isn't good.

A 3rd place finish behind Alabama & Florida is still a 3rd place finish but you want to be the 1st in your conference.

That is similiar to being Steve Young and being the 2nd best q.b. in the NFL but the best q.b. in the NFL is Montana, who is the starter on your team. What good is that?
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This is the problem. There will be a ton of people fired up for a top 15 class, but it could still rank 5-6 in the SEC.

IMO, that's where recruiting to needs and coachin' em up comes into plat.
 
#37
#37
As impressed as I am with UT at no. 2 right now after 4 losing seasons out of the last 5, I'm just as SHOCKED about KY being at no. 7.
 
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#38
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pualsline said:
Alabama pretty well has #1 locked up on rivals

Ohio St. is behind us by 193 points
They need one person ranked 5.7 and 5.8 in order to pass us. (this is without including bonus points)

Georgia only needs 3 players with a 5.6 rating. For Georgia, they will most likely gain those sorts of recruits.

Now our numbers will increase with more commits (such as the Berry twins)

For those that don't know, rivals will only count your top 20 recruits towards your totals. If you sign 28 it doesn't matter. Only your top rated 20 count.

Florida St, Miami, Kentucky, and Texas all have 24 commits. So their commits can only improve over the weaker ones. They are having to make up 246 points. That is just to much to cover unless they get a top 5 recruit.

Clemson is interesting because they still have 3 spots that will count towards the rankings and are in on some big recruits. They are 583 points behind. Though I don't think they have enough to catch us.

Florida is currently ranked 18th. They have 750 points to make up with 5 recruits. I believe they are in on several 5 star recruits. If they land 2 of them then they are in the mix.

I think it ends up

1. Alabama
2. Georgia
3.Ohio St.
4.Tennessee
5. Florida
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Man, this tells me you have way too much time on your hands.
 
#40
#40
I still don't understand why they only count 20. That's like not counting free throws in basketball toward your point total!
 
#42
#42
This is a new formula for Rivals this year, so the point total in years past is not a good indication of how we'll fare this year.

Also, I believe 247 uses a Gaussian distribution to include all of your recruits' rankings whether 15 or 30 to count they all count if only marginally. I do like this alot.... however...

I could argue both sides well, because at the end of the day football is played with the best 11 guys against the other guys' best 11 guys, so why not see how you stack up in the recruiting rankings the same way... especially since schools can sign more than others year in and year out.
 
#43
#43
TN Reb said:
Leave the names on the jerseys. I like it that way.

:p
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We'd be at the mercy of Lundquist and Kesling in identifying who's making the plays...visible shudder
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#44
#44
friedeggsammich said:
Why does there have to be a limit? With that logic we could say that tn is 4-0 bc the oregon and florida games dont count bc they were not as good of games as the others and the georgia game was one that they exceeded expectations. Therefore the limits imposed could have tn undefeated
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I think you cut it off at 20 because of the varying sizes of each team's recruiting class. Also, once you get past 20, you are pretty much in the territory of 2 and 3 star players or players that are not ranked. so, you are really measuring your top 20 versus everyone elses top 20. Those players are the most likely to make an impact on your team's future anyway.

Also, would you want another team to get ranked higher than yours because you signed 24 players and they signed 27 and the extra 3 players were 2 star players? Probably not a fair assessment.
 
#46
#46
SaintLouisVol said:
It isn't basketball. IMO, if you only get one year out of a guy, it's a bust.

When the #1 guy commits to a school, the #2, 3 guys commit somewhere else. It even impacts the guys shopping schools that are in the next year's class. Signing the superstar means somebody else gets the next best . If they get 2-3 years production out of #2 and we get only one year from our guy, they win, IMO.
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I guess it depends on how good your #1 is and how much of an impact he has in 1 year. If he's a game changing QB and your team wins a NC with him and the guy with the #2 and #3 players does not, then YOU win.

But I do see the point in your post. The number one goal for a cfb program is to get as much solid talent for as long as possible to sustain a winning program over time.
 
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#47
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Boca Vol said:
He gets "breather" carries and that's about it and the drop in production is very clear. Shady hits the hole. Brown gets stuffed.
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Did you miss the first two starts of his career where he went for roughly 350 and 4 TDs? And thanks to Fantasy Football, I can attest to them not being breather carries earlier in that season. Shady would be ready on the sideline and Brown would take 3-4 carries in a row.
 
#48
#48
utvols74 said:
I just hope the "heralded recruits" live up to their billing. We've had our share of 5* busts. If the 4-5* live up to expectations and CBJ can "coach up" some 3*s, then I like very much our chances as long as everyone pays attention to fundamentals and plays like a team.

Speaking of which, and this is just my opinion, I wish for at least one season (team 118?) that they'd take the names off the backs of jerseys. Most avid football fans know who they are anyway. I think this promotes team play at the expense of individualism.
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Taking the names off the jerseys in my opinion makes them looks cheap. I know that a few big programs do it but it makes them look like practice jerseys to me. Keep the names. I think Butch will have them playing as a team regardless of what's on their jersey.
 
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#49
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crusse10 said:
Did you miss the first two starts of his career where he went for roughly 350 and 4 TDs? And thanks to Fantasy Football, I can attest to them not being breather carries earlier in that season. Shady would be ready on the sideline and Brown would take 3-4 carries in a row.
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Uh, let's turn the page to something more relevant...like this season.
 
#50
#50
A top 10 caliber class is really all you want. The difference between the #10 class and the #3 class is minimal. If you consistently pull top 10 classes you will be competing for Titles.

That being said, I would love to finish top 5 just for the publicity.
 
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