Thoughts on budgets versus results?

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PC Jr.

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I was looking at the scores listed tonight, trying to follow the UT game @ Georgia. I noticed Creighton and Murray State. They are both highly ranked. How can this be? It seems every year there are some small schools that are competing at the highest levels. Has anyone looked at their budgets? I looked up what I could find. It appears Creighton's total athletic budget is approx 12 mil and Murray State looks less than 9 mil. The numbers may be a couple of years old, but you get the idea. How can they recruit and compete at the level they do with the money they have? This doesn't even take into account differences in facilities and national profile of big time programs.
 
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With the loss tonight, does it bother anyone else to see the the Vols playing like this? This whole money = success idea some people have looks to be simply imagined. Do Creighton and Murray St. have more talent or better coaching...or both?
 
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Who thinks Creighton or Murray would be doing this if they were in a BCS league this season? Anybody?
 
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ukvols said:
Who thinks Creighton or Murray would be doing this if they were in a BCS league this season? Anybody?
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Getting screwed like all non "big conferences" teams do.

I heard that Murray St is being predicted a 6 seed. So basically the polls are sticking a pacifier in MSt's mouth and letting them have a top 15 (10 atm) ranking. But in reality...it means nothing. If you give a team a top 10 ranking...be consistent and dont see them near a 25-30 position. They're arent top 10 but still...
 
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BigPapaCat said:
Getting screwed like all non "big conferences" teams do.

I heard that Murray St is being predicted a 6 seed. So basically the polls are sticking a pacifier in MSt's mouth and letting them have a top 15 (10 atm) ranking. But in reality...it means nothing. If you give a team a top 10 ranking...be consistent and dont see them near a 25-30 position. They're arent top 10 but still...
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i have no problem with this. bracketology doesnt matter if they finish the year undefeated the will be a very high seed it doesnt matter their conference. look at st joes years ago for a reminder, you may not have been around for that team.
 
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Really shows you how f****ed up the rpi ranking system is.
They're at 28 and have beaten 4 teams with winning records.
Signature win: Memphis
 
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calban said:
Really shows you how f****ed up the rpi ranking system is.
They're at 28 and have beaten 4 teams with winning records.
Signature win: Memphis
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the rpi has always had a few teams that make you scratch your head and say how the hell is that?
 
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PC Jr. said:
I was looking at the scores listed tonight, trying to follow the UT game @ Georgia. I noticed Creighton and Murray State. They are both highly ranked. How can this be? It seems every year there are some small schools that are competing at the highest levels. Has anyone looked at their budgets? I looked up what I could find. It appears Creighton's total athletic budget is approx 12 mil and Murray State looks less than 9 mil. The numbers may be a couple of years old, but you get the idea. How can they recruit and compete at the level they do with the money they have? This doesn't even take into account differences in facilities and national profile of big time programs.
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Because they play in a lesser conference, with a good coach, and have a great pipeline built up over the years. As a whole, almost all the schools in KY have tradition rich programs in their own right. WKU, Morehead, Murray all have great history. What you also have to point out is that they are not competing nationally (in rankings) on a consistent basis. Years like this happen about 1 in every 5 seems like. This year Murray State has 3 seniors and 6 juniors, and coupled with the best talent in the conference are going to cruise most of the season.

Just a random observation, but IMO the most crucial component for a Mid-Major with a restricted budget is to land a coach who has the eye for talent, and by that I mean hidden talent. Coaches like Darrin Horn (douche) when he was at WKU, Brad Stevens at Butler, etc. It isn't hard to find talent at the 4 and 5 star level, but it's useless to recruit them against the likes of UK, KU, UNC. These coaches go out and find overlooked kids who have the talent to excel in their conference, and build good teams around them.
 
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PC Jr. said:
With the loss tonight, does it bother anyone else to see the the Vols playing like this? This whole money = success idea some people have looks to be simply imagined. Do Creighton and Murray St. have more talent or better coaching...or both?
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So based off your post, we should just be automatically good right from the start because we have more money? C'mon man. Every new coach / team has to work things out and stuff like this takes time. We were projected to finish 10th in the SEC so it's not like anybody expected Tennessee to be world beaters or to go dancing. Success at this point is progressed and having something to build on.
 
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Not sure if budget has as big of an affect in basketball as it does football. Any team as we saw with VCU couple years ago can put together 5 starters that can take them a long way in the tournament on a shoe-string budget. Maybe we can trade CCM to VCU for Shaka, I would take Shaka with his salary any day over CCM.
 
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mgv said:
Not sure if budget has as big of an affect in basketball as it does football. Any team as we saw with VCU couple years ago can put together 5 starters that can take them a long way in the tournament on a shoe-string budget. Maybe we can trade CCM to VCU for Shaka, I would take Shaka with his salary any day over CCM.
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This is a dumb statement. Shaka proved nothing he had a run with players he inherited from a previous coach a reeled the benefits. There is a reason so other school hired him he has not proven anything. So far this year not that impressive either no good wins am what so ever. Won't be NCAA tourney team most likely.
 
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This is the nature of college basketball. As a coach at a mid-major program, you develop a scheme (see Princeton, VCU) to compensate for your lack of elite talent and recruit kids that invest 4-5 years in the program and have solid fundamentals. You're helped out along the way by playing a relatively non-competitive conference schedule and get a few resume building wins in the non-conference part of your schedule.

Still, this doesn't mean you'll win big, be nationally ranked throughout the season, make the tourney, or make a deep run in the tourney. The x-factor is finding those diamonds-in-the-rough. The OP mentioned this year's Creighton team. They have a player that's being mentioned in talks of POY and is at or near the top of scoring leaders this year. The last two Butler teams had a current NBA starter in Hayward, and a nice PG in Shelvin Mack who was drafted last year. Last year's Morehead State team had an NBA player in Farried, VCU had Skeen and a really nice point man in Joey Rodriguez (was the reason for their success, IMO). Remember lowely ol' Davidson from a few years ago...yeah, they had Stephen Curry. You get the idea. NBA caliber players inevitably get over looked during the recruiting process and end up on mid-major teams. Check the rosters of any NBA team, and among all the high-major and foreign talent, you'll find plenty of guys that carried their "insert name of directionally named school" to relative success.
 
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MannyD said:
This is the nature of college basketball. As a coach at a mid-major program, you develop a scheme (see Princeton, VCU) to compensate for your lack of elite talent and recruit kids that invest 4-5 years in the program and have solid fundamentals. You're helped out along the way by playing a relatively non-competitive conference schedule and get a few resume building wins in the non-conference part of your schedule.

Still, this doesn't mean you'll win big, be nationally ranked throughout the season, make the tourney, or make a deep run in the tourney. The x-factor is finding those diamonds-in-the-rough. The OP mentioned this year's Creighton team. They have a player that's being mentioned in talks of POY and is at or near the top of scoring leaders this year. The last two Butler teams had a current NBA starter in Hayward, and a nice PG in Shelvin Mack who was drafted last year. Last year's Morehead State team had an NBA player in Farried, VCU had Skeen and a really nice point man in Joey Rodriguez (was the reason for their success, IMO). Remember lowely ol' Davidson from a few years ago...yeah, they had Stephen Curry. You get the idea. NBA caliber players inevitably get over looked during the recruiting process and end up on mid-major teams. Check the rosters of any NBA team, and among all the high-major and foreign talent, you'll find plenty of guys that carried their "insert name of directionally named school" to relative success.
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