Thoughts on Calipari... how he lost his way

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In 2015 against Wisconsin in the Final 4, led by 4 points with 5 minutes to go when he "deflated" the basketball with 7 eventual draft picks. “I don’t like this. It ended up in a bad shot last time,” said legendary broadcaster Bill Raftery. UK eventually lost and has never been the same since. More than eight years later, Calipari and the Wildcats have not been back to a Final Four. They’ve won one NCAA Tournament game in the last three years.

“I really believe that game broke him,” said one former support staff member, who, along with four others, requested anonymity.

-Calipari’s patience steadily shrank in recent years, which led to a shorter fuse with players (and some staff) and a less detailed approach to preparation.

-He became less innovative. Gripping the wheel too tightly in that 2015 Final Four loss, incredibly, did not convince him to unleash all that talent. Instead, he clamped down harder.

-As Calipari dug-in stylistically, even publicly scoffing at the 3-point revolution that has overtaken basketball at every level, he also turned cantankerous, seeking out slights and holding grudges. He picked fights with Kentucky’s athletic director, with the biggest radio personality in the state, and with the Wildcats’ wildly popular football coach.

-Most cite significant turnover on Calipari’s staff as an ailment that has plagued the program. Karl-Anthony Towns once called Kentucky assistant coach Kenny Payne “the horse beneath the jockey driving Kentucky basketball.”

-Calipari’s infamous Two Circle play, often used as a stall tactic, “became our go-to offense,” the second former staffer said. Some European teams run versions of a Circle offense, but with pace and creative wrinkles. Calipari’s version? It was a “meat grinder,” said the third former staffer. “We were running good offense against Wisconsin, went to Two Circle and lost it.”

-“Their offense is archaic,” said another. “It’s gotta be the same sh– he was running with the New Jersey Nets.”

Summary from The Athletic

Personally, I am enjoying every minute of it!
 
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He picked fights with Kentucky’s athletic director, with the biggest radio personality in the state, and with the Wildcats’ wildly popular football coach.

-Most cite significant turnover on Calipari’s staff as an ailment that has plagued the program. Karl-Anthony Towns once called Kentucky assistant coach Kenny Payne “the horse beneath the jockey driving Kentucky basketball.”
Not sure I’d call Stoops wildly popular with the Kentucky faithful.
Also I think it’s pretty clear Kenny Payne was not the reason for any success
 
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I’m not saying it’s entirely his fault, but I’m routinely shocked how much better his players look in the NBA than they did in college.
 
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I think even the most successful coaches loose some energy and innovation as they get older. Pat Summitt, Calipari, and now Saban have all been supplanted by younger coaches that have more energy and drive and maybe more likely to adopt new strategies as games evolve. I do think Calipari is coasting a little, maybe not willing to rock the boat with his players that need calling out, and happy to rely on the talent he can still bring in. He was never a great X and O's coach anyway, but the last few years he doesn't seem to have any ideas when the game starts getting away from him to turn the tide.
 
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Stoops is "wildly popular" with Kentucky fans? Hmmm---I don't think so.

RE Cal: I'm not sure I buy this notion that he's underachieved because his offense is "archaic." Maybe.

I think his biggest problem, by far, is simply a lack of continuity year to year. I've seen enough to conclude that signing three/four five stars every year means little or nothing if they are constantly leaving after one year of play. No continuity. You're effectively starting from scratch as a coach every year because your best players--or potentially your best players--are gone. We've seen the same thing with Duke. That program was better back in the day when coach K didn't have a roster of blue chips. And for years he was opposed to the idea of signing potential One and Dones. He then changed his mind about that--as anyone would when blue chips/5 stars want to sign with your team---but Duke has not been nearly as formidable in its One and Done era as it was earlier. Having good players with experience is better than having a bunch of raw NBA-bound players who make a bunch of mistakes and then are gone after spending 8 months with your program. The whole One and Done thing is a joke: It's fine for the players, of course--but bad for teams and college basketball generally. Throw in assistants leaving reguarly--for various reasons--and there is another big continuity problem.

There might be other issues with Kentucky, but I'd put lack of continuity year to year far above the "two circle" offense as the reason Cal has underachieved. His recruiting success, ironically, undercuts him.
 
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In 2015 against Wisconsin in the Final 4, led by 4 points with 5 minutes to go when he "deflated" the basketball with 7 eventual draft picks. “I don’t like this. It ended up in a bad shot last time,” said legendary broadcaster Bill Raftery. UK eventually lost and has never been the same since. More than eight years later, Calipari and the Wildcats have not been back to a Final Four. They’ve won one NCAA Tournament game in the last three years.

“I really believe that game broke him,” said one former support staff member, who, along with four others, requested anonymity.

-Calipari’s patience steadily shrank in recent years, which led to a shorter fuse with players (and some staff) and a less detailed approach to preparation.

-He became less innovative. Gripping the wheel too tightly in that 2015 Final Four loss, incredibly, did not convince him to unleash all that talent. Instead, he clamped down harder.

-As Calipari dug-in stylistically, even publicly scoffing at the 3-point revolution that has overtaken basketball at every level, he also turned cantankerous, seeking out slights and holding grudges. He picked fights with Kentucky’s athletic director, with the biggest radio personality in the state, and with the Wildcats’ wildly popular football coach.

-Most cite significant turnover on Calipari’s staff as an ailment that has plagued the program. Karl-Anthony Towns once called Kentucky assistant coach Kenny Payne “the horse beneath the jockey driving Kentucky basketball.”

-Calipari’s infamous Two Circle play, often used as a stall tactic, “became our go-to offense,” the second former staffer said. Some European teams run versions of a Circle offense, but with pace and creative wrinkles. Calipari’s version? It was a “meat grinder,” said the third former staffer. “We were running good offense against Wisconsin, went to Two Circle and lost it.”

-“Their offense is archaic,” said another. “It’s gotta be the same sh– he was running with the New Jersey Nets.”

Summary from The Athletic

Personally, I am enjoying every minute of it!


You had Cal and UK on your mind at 7:45 in the morning on a Wednesday?
 
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Stoops is "wildly popular" with Kentucky fans? Hmmm---I don't think so.

RE Cal: I'm not sure I buy this notion that he's underachieved because his offense is "archaic." Maybe.

I think his biggest problem, by far, is simply a lack of continuity year to year. I've seen enough to conclude that signing three/four five stars every year means little or nothing if they are constantly leaving after one year of play. No continuity. You're effectively starting from scratch as a coach every year because your best players--or potentially your best players--are gone. We've seen the same thing with Duke. That program was better back in the day when coach K didn't have a roster of blue chips. And for years he was opposed to the idea of signing potential One and Dones. He then changed his mind about that--as anyone would when blue chips/5 stars want to sign with your team---but Duke has not been nearly as formidable in its One and Done era as it was earlier. Having good players with experience is better than having a bunch of raw NBA-bound players who make a bunch of mistakes and then are gone after spending 8 months with your program. The whole One and Done thing is a joke: It's fine for the players, of course--but bad for teams and college basketball generally. Throw in assistants leaving reguarly--for various reasons--and there is another big continuity problem.

There might be other issues with Kentucky, but I'd put lack of continuity year to year far above the "two circle" offense as the reason Cal has underachieved. His recruiting success, ironically, undercuts him.
While the one and done argument has a little merit, his offense is terrible. He studied the dribble drive and went to it at Memphis. I don't know that he has changed much since. He is a great recruiter and motivator but sub-par bench coach.

I agree that recruiting guys ranked 40-125 and having them for multiple years is the better recipe (Villanova), but Cal has tried to adjust the last few years with taking transfers. It still hasn't worked.

While Coach K was a little slower in accepting the one and dones, K won 2 championships after Calipari got to Kentucky.
 
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Cal might be a beneficiary of the current NIL/immediate transfer environment. He may not have a 5-star or two at the end of his bench anymore, but now EVERYBODY has to rebuild their rosters year to year. UT has been lucky to have such highly productive, high level players like Fulk, SV, and JJJ stick around for 4/5 years.
 
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You had Cal and UK on your mind at 7:45 in the morning on a Wednesday?
Nope, opportunity. There was an in depth article on a pay site that I thought was somewhat relevant given that basketball season is starting.
 
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Funny that several years ago UK was all the talk. #1 class after #1 class and Cal was the toast of the town. Now he's not even a thought until UK rolls around on our schedule. Can't think of another program with so much bark and so little bite.
 
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Has he become the Jimbo Fisher of college basketball - staggering contract without the results?

Exactly, the teams are in limbo by the quasi buyouts, Jimbo would get 20 million immediately and 7.2 million annually for 8 years.
Calipari would get 40 million immediately and 75% of his remaining deal.
So its doable but it is a big hurdle or road block if you will.
 
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He was never a great coach. A great recruiter & effective cheater. In basketball, that’s what wins.
 

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