Thoughts on UT QB's

#26
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There was a lot of speculation during the spring and summer as to whether Butch would start a true freshman at QB if they displayed enough ability and maturity. I think you'd have to put yourself in Butch's situation to understand why he started Worley. I think most of us would agree that he (Worley) just looks lost, hesitant, and uncertain a good deal of the time. Admittedly, at times he has performed well, with the help of a few circus catches. But, back to my point. In my opinion, Butch knew who the better athlete or athletes are but he also knew that if he were to start either Dobbs or Ferguson over Worley or Peterman, that one or both of them would likely transfer to a school where they knew they could be top dog. If that had happened, then we'd be stuck with an unproven true freshman (albeit a gifted one) as the starter and another true freshman as his back up. I would venture to say that Butch considered these things when making his final decision. Argue, comment, criticize or whatever, that's why I posted it, to stir.



Butch recruited Dobbs to Tennessee. He recruited Peterman to Cincinnati. Fergy was already a committment to U.T. when Butch arrived. He didn't recruit Worley.

So, the only q.b. that Butch actually recruited was Dobbs.

Butch is trying to get us to a bowl game. Had he played Dobbs or Fergy immediately, and we lost a game or two due to q.b. play, then he might lose the fan base. So, he went with the percentages and started Worley.
 
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OK. He was epically bad for a half. Let's be real though, Dobbs was 5-12.

I am so tired of seeing people post 5-12 I could puke. Seeing 5-12 in the box score is one thing. Actually watching with your eyes and having any kind of acute understanding of football tells a different story.

I thought Dobbs performed outstanding, especially when you consider the circumstances. Now, it could have been a total fluke, I am not ruling that out as it isn't a large enough sample size to know for sure, but if he throws as accurately the rest of the year as he did in that game you can expect those statistics to balance out quite nicely (assuming the drops don't continue at the same percentage, which would be historic)
 
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#29
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Butch recruited Dobbs to Tennessee. He recruited Peterman to Cincinnati. Fergy was already a committment to U.T. when Butch arrived. He didn't recruit Worley.

So, the only q.b. that Butch actually recruited was Dobbs.

Butch is trying to get us to a bowl game. Had he played Dobbs or Fergy immediately, and we lost a game or two due to q.b. play, then he might lose the fan base. So, he went with the percentages and started Worley.

Don't forget the shooter on the grassy knoll!:whistling:
 
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Butch recruited Dobbs to Tennessee. He recruited Peterman to Cincinnati. Fergy was already a committment to U.T. when Butch arrived. He didn't recruit Worley.

So, the only q.b. that Butch actually recruited was Dobbs.

Butch is trying to get us to a bowl game. Had he played Dobbs or Fergy immediately, and we lost a game or two due to q.b. play, then he might lose the fan base. So, he went with the percentages and started Worley.

I find that logic hard to accept considering that I would say 60-70% of this board was calling for Dobbs or Fergie since back in the Spring.
 
#31
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I think Butch is a conservative Blue collar coach and he dont dwell on the past!

I think he was doing right by starting his Junior and gave the freshman time to learn.he also wanted to redshirt both QB's now if he would have known that both Worley and Peterman would break a hand he would have played Ferguson earlyer in the year but then he would be hurt also so we would be down to our 4th QB and had burned both red shirts. in other words thangs happen for a reason.
 
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#32
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It has nothing to do with who is better. It's letting the freshman sit back and learn without being thrown into the fire. Kinda how Aaron Rodgers got to learn under favre. No I am not comparing favre and Rodgers to our qbs to those who like to be smart. I am saying, U can't just throw someone in because of their tremendous potential. They must learn. Throw them in to early and it can ruin their confidence. Enough is enough though. Dobbs is starting and is backed up by fergenstein. So these threads need to end.
 
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What is up with all the thoughts of conspiracy on QB? Do I think Butch thought Worley was the perfect fit? No. I think he went with Justin because at the time he was showing better at practice. I think Butch wouldn't mind having the AP and WK games back to throw one or both of the freshman in to have gotten some game exp now. I also think he probably wishes he had just stuck with Justin in the FL game.


Smokescreens and conspiracy....and to think we get all of this for free....Man I love VolNation!!!
:eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol:
 
#34
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The first time Missouri zone blitzes or runs some exotic coverage and Dobbs makes a bad read, you'll understand why true freshmen don't play unless they have to.
 
#35
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If you are a golfer you will understand this..what you got at the range may not be what you have on the course. Now apply that to QB's in practice and live game action on an SEC Saturday. The coaches are putting on the field the guy they think in the moment gives them the best chance to win. Right now that's Dobbs probably more because he's healthy than anything else. Let's all hope he's one of those guys who comes alive when the lights come on and the National TV cameras are rolling. Otherwise the rest of the season may look like this..:mf_surrender:

Right, I don't disagree. My point is that if Dobbs comes out and plays really well then someone will need to explain to me why in the hell he wasn't on the field sooner.
 
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The first time Missouri zone blitzes or runs some exotic coverage and Dobbs makes a bad read, you'll understand why true freshmen don't play unless they have to.

Yeah because our JR never made a bad read. I understand what your saying but I can live with freshman mistakes and build over a junior that makes mistakes and has shown he doesn't have an arm
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Smokescreens and conspiracy....and to think we get all of this for free....Man I love VolNation!!!
:eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol:

It's what CBJ was really planning all along. He knew before the season started that if Dobbs or Ferguson got the nod it would have caused NCAA investigations because we would have beat Oregon, Florida, GA and BAMA causing more concern from the NCAA. So he put Worley in as a smoke screen and had the team focusing on grades etc...all the while knowing that Worley would get hurt in the 1st half of BAMA, Dobbs would come in and win out from there and Vols win title in 2 years. Can't believe no one else saw this.

:eek:lol:

Go Vols,
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#38
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The first time Missouri zone blitzes or runs some exotic coverage and Dobbs makes a bad read, you'll understand why true freshmen don't play unless they have to.

Even Johnny Football and Famous Jameus redshirted. Its just too big of a step from High School to SEC level football to expect a kid to make it without a year in the system. And it has as much to do with off field as on field stuff. Much greater academic load than HS, away from home for the first time, no mama to do the laundry, its just a lot on an 18 year old.
 
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Even Johnny Football and Famous Jameus redshirted. Its just too big of a step from High School to SEC level football to expect a kid to make it without a year in the system. And it has as much to do with off field as on field stuff. Much greater academic load than HS, away from home for the first time, no mama to do the laundry, its just a lot on an 18 year old.

To be fair, they were behind EJ Manuel and Ryan Tannehill, both NFL starters. That isn't the same as being behind Justin Worley. Manziel and Winston would have started as true freshman at probably well over 70 percent of D1 schools or more IMO
 
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Right, I don't disagree. My point is that if Dobbs comes out and plays really well then someone will need to explain to me why in the hell he wasn't on the field sooner.

Maybe its as simple as he didn't look as good as Worley and Peterman in practice. It happens, A&M ended up with Manzell because a lot of schools Texas included saw him as a DB at the college level. Like I posted earlier what they see in practice doesn't always translate to the field on Saturday. Some guys look like Johnny U on Tuesday and stink it up on game day. Other guys just don't practice well but given the chance light it up. Some guys fold under pressure and some need it just to get to their top gear. Josh hasn't played enough to tell what he really has. We'll get a better idea Saturday night.
 
#41
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Maybe Dobbs is like Casey. Looks average in the O&W game, but when the lights come on he plays at a different level.
 
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Maybe its as simple as he didn't look as good as Worley and Peterman in practice. It happens, A&M ended up with Manzell because a lot of schools Texas included saw him as a DB at the college level. Like I posted earlier what they see in practice doesn't always translate to the field on Saturday. Some guys look like Johnny U on Tuesday and stink it up on game day. Other guys just don't practice well but given the chance light it up. Some guys fold under pressure and some need it just to get to their top gear. Josh hasn't played enough to tell what he really has. We'll get a better idea Saturday night.

If it were as "simple" as that, then we as fans give coaches way too much credit for their talent evaluations and coaching abilities.
 
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Maybe its as simple as he didn't look as good as Worley and Peterman in practice. It happens, A&M ended up with Manzell because a lot of schools Texas included saw him as a DB at the college level. Like I posted earlier what they see in practice doesn't always translate to the field on Saturday. Some guys look like Johnny U on Tuesday and stink it up on game day. Other guys just don't practice well but given the chance light it up. Some guys fold under pressure and some need it just to get to their top gear. Josh hasn't played enough to tell what he really has. We'll get a better idea Saturday night.

Agreed 100%. Some guys are gamers and some are practice warriors. Some are both. Never know until they play the game. I've wanted Dobbs from day 1. I may eat crow but I don't wanna ��
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#44
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Agreed 100%. Some guys are gamers and some are practice warriors. Some are both. Never know until they play the game. I've wanted Dobbs from day 1. I may eat crow but I don't wanna ��
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I'm with you. Regardless of who we may have thought was the better QB, Josh Dobbs is now OUR MAN! All true Vol fans should hope he lights Mizzou up!
 
#45
#45
Worley won the job. He suffered through the growing pains with UT's young receivers. Looked lost? There were many times when he was the only guy who looked like he knew where he was.

I hope Dobbs takes a stranglehold on the job and becomes a UT great. But the fact is we've seen less than a half of football from him vs most Bama's back ups. We have not seen Ferguson at all. We simply don't have enough information to draw conclusions about how they compare talent wise.
 
#46
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I've seen enough of peterman

He wouldn't be the first guy to get up off the deck and become a good player. That said... you probably have seen the last of Peterman. I will be very surprised if he does not transfer to get a fresh start.
 
#47
#47
My humble opinion is that if we had started Dobbs (or possibly Ferguson) from week 1 we would have at least the same record and be in better shape right now at the QB position in time for the swing games (Missouri, Auburn, and Vandy). Why they weren't inserted when they were running neck and neck in camp and both had more upside (and years to play) than Worley is a mystery to me. I agree with the ones who say that Butch didn't want to upset the applecart.

The scary thing is that if Worley hadn't gotten injured, we'd still be watching him flounder around out there this time next year. I like what Butch has done so far, but he has to be willing to make tough decisions. I am a little worried that we will end up turning away more talented recruits (2-3 spots left) because of the same mentality.

I realize that this is a board that despises criticism and second-guessing of the staff; so bash away. Just keep in mind, that I won't be impressed with any "trust the coaches" type posts. We heard that refrain for the last 3 years around here. Also, the "the freshman weren't ready" is also a little tired. Of course they weren't ready. They needed experience. But Worley, like Rick Clausen, is a QB who will never be ready. I for one am very happy and relieved that he hurt his thumb.
 
#48
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Worley won the job. He suffered through the growing pains with UT's young receivers. Looked lost? There were many times when he was the only guy who looked like he knew where he was.

I hope Dobbs takes a stranglehold on the job and becomes a UT great. But the fact is we've seen less than a half of football from him vs most Bama's back ups. We have not seen Ferguson at all. We simply don't have enough information to draw conclusions about how they compare talent wise.

Also agree but alot of bamas backups are better than most 1st team guys
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#49
#49
If it were as "simple" as that, then we as fans give coaches way too much credit for their talent evaluations and coaching abilities.

At an average salary of 2.5 mil a year at the power conferences I would say yes, we do give them WAY too much credit for their opinions on the football abilities of 18-22 year olds. When half the schools recruiting Johnny Manzell project him as a DB at the college level I think that's all you need to know.
 
#50
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Butch kept saying all year that he would play the QB that gave us the best chance to win. That means either every other QB on the roster is terrible (because Worley is mediocre at best), he and his staff aren't very good at evaluating QBs or he was lying. Remember, Butch is basically king of the coach speak, so I wouldn't rule out lying.

Yeah... the only thing that matters in the passing game is what the QB does. It doesn't matter if your WR's have no idea what they're doing, run routes incorrectly, run the wrong routes, drop passes, fail to make plays on ball, can't get off the LOS, etc. Any QB better than "mediocre" would have been having a Heisman year with these WR's, right?

:no:

UT has talent at the QB position but you have to get help too. It was only within the last few games that anyone in UT's WR corps helped very much at all.
 
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