Thoughts on UT QB's

[omghulkhands]

Worley won the job. He suffered through the growing pains with UT's young receivers. Looked lost? There were many times when he was the only guy who looked like he knew where he was.

I hope Dobbs takes a stranglehold on the job and becomes a UT great. But the fact is we've seen less than a half of football from him vs most Bama's back ups. We have not seen Ferguson at all. We simply don't have enough information to draw conclusions about how they compare talent wise.

You can expect that everytime you post this fallacy that I will be right there to call BS and ask what agenda are you trying to serve with this obvious lie.

so, what agenda are you trying to serve with this obvious lie?

 

[GAVol]

I for one am very happy and relieved that he hurt his thumb.

I really hope that this just came out wrong.

 

[sjt18]

Worley is hurt, Peterman is recovering, Ferguson is recovering, Dobbs is healthy.

Guess who is starting?


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Wrong. Ferguson is healthy enough to play. He was healthy enough to play last week. Jones has only repeated this 50 times by now. Dobbs went in first because they CHOSE to put him in first. It had nothing to do with Ferguson being in recovery.

 

[sjt18]

You can expect that everytime you post this fallacy that I will be right there to call BS and ask what agenda are you trying to serve with this obvious lie.

so, what agenda are you trying to serve with this obvious lie?

Did you watch the game? He DID in fact play most of his time vs Bama's back ups. Now Bama's back ups are more than likely better players than all but a few SEC starting groups... but they started subbing late in the 3rd qtr.

What am I trying to serve with this obvious TRUTH? I am trying to temper the idea that he just lit it up vs Bama. He did some nice things. There's plenty to hang your hopes on. But it was 5/12 primarily done after Bama started getting starters out.

 

[BearBryant]

There was a lot of speculation during the spring and summer as to whether Butch would start a true freshman at QB if they displayed enough ability and maturity. I think you'd have to put yourself in Butch's situation to understand why he started Worley. I think most of us would agree that he (Worley) just looks lost, hesitant, and uncertain a good deal of the time. Admittedly, at times he has performed well, with the help of a few circus catches. But, back to my point. In my opinion, Butch knew who the better athlete or athletes are but he also knew that if he were to start either Dobbs or Ferguson over Worley or Peterman, that one or both of them would likely transfer to a school where they knew they could be top dog. If that had happened, then we'd be stuck with an unproven true freshman (albeit a gifted one) as the starter and another true freshman as his back up. I would venture to say that Butch considered these things when making his final decision. Argue, comment, criticize or whatever, that's why I posted it, to stir.

Could you please explain why BUTCH would not start who performed the best in practice? Despite what all of you Worley bashers don't want to believe -- Worley won the job in Spring Practice.

Worley was improving every week. He was going to end up as a very good QB this year.

I'm going to add this too. Dobbs didn't look much faster than Worley.

If this coaching staff is concerned about who is going to transfer next year or the year after because of who they start they will fail as a coaching staff.

I'll bet you that Butch would love to go 8-4 this year. And if starting Dan McCullers at QB would guarantee that he would do it!!

What do you think he does at night? Lay awake and go "Oh gee if I start Dobbs, Riley or Nate will transfer. I'm so glad I started Worley that means Dobbs or Riley or Nate want transfer until the 2015 season. I think I can get through this first season 6-6 with Worley, even though I know if I started Dobbs or Riley we would be 8-4 or 9-3."

Think before you speak or type. This is how OBAMA got elected.

 

[WesternKyVol]

I really hope that this just came out wrong.

Eh. It's a thumb injury. Nothing life altering or earth shattering. If he were good (lol), it would be a blip in his career. I'm sure there are a lot of Vol fans that feel the same.

Yankees fans are happy about Wally Pipp. I'd a whole lo rather have a QB with a sore thumb now than a healthy Worley in the starting lineup. I certainly wouldn't be saying that if he were concussed or broke a rib or something. But really, I am glad he hurt his thumb. It'll mend and so will the program.

 

[omghulkhands]

Yeah... the only thing that matters in the passing game is what the QB does. It doesn't matter if your WR's have no idea what they're doing, run routes incorrectly, run the wrong routes, drop passes, fail to make plays on ball, can't get off the LOS, etc. Any QB better than "mediocre" would have been having a Heisman year with these WR's, right?

:no:

UT has talent at the QB position but you have to get help too. It was only within the last few games that anyone in UT's WR corps helped very much at all.

Receivers don't throw bounce passes, receivers don't overthrow their target or throw interceptions as often as TDs (however an interception can be the fault of the WR at times). WR's don't limit your offense because of their inability to keep the ball on the option, WR's are not limited by their arm strength, WR's can't be blamed for trying to catch lame duck passes that wobble worse than a Matt Darr punt.

Also, I would like us to have a QB that is allowed to throw down the middle of the field again, that'd be nice.

 

[WesternKyVol]

Truth be told, I bet Butch is glad too.

 

[sjt18]

I'm going to add this too. Dobbs didn't look much faster than Worley.

That's probably true but you are about to get smoked for saying it.

However, Dobbs did show running instincts whereas Worley avoided running as much as he could. I think it is likely they told him not to run to avoid having to play a Fr if they could.

If this coaching staff is concerned about who is going to transfer next year or the year after because of who they start they will fail as a coaching staff.

I do not think it was a factor in who started. I think it was a factor in their efforts to avoid burning either Fr RS.

 

[BOP]

I am so tired of seeing people post 5-12 I could puke. Seeing 5-12 in the box score is one thing. Actually watching with your eyes and having any kind of acute understanding of football tells a different story.

I thought Dobbs performed outstanding, especially when you consider the circumstances. Now, it could have been a total fluke, I am not ruling that out as it isn't a large enough sample size to know for sure, but if he throws as accurately the rest of the year as he did in that game you can expect those statistics to balance out quite nicely (assuming the drops don't continue at the same percentage, which would be historic)

It looked a lot better live than it does actually going back and looking at it. There was little "outstanding" about it. The accuracy wasn't there. The arm strength looked good, the poise was good, the accuracy was lacking. Really one great throw.

 

[sjt18]

Truth be told, I bet Butch is glad too.

You are truly classless.... and in this case not very bright too.

 

[WesternKyVol]

He put 3 on the money that were complete drops. A couple of throws were cringe-worthy admittedly...unless you've been watching Worley's wounded ducks all year.

 

[sjt18]

Receivers don't throw bounce passes, receivers don't overthrow their target or throw interceptions as often as TDs (however an interception can be the fault of the WR at times).

And there were far, FAR fewer of those than there were drops, wrong routes, etc.

I'm not even blaming these kids for having a rough start. They're young guys playing against a murderous schedule. But their inability to play well WAS a major factor in how Worley "looked"... and that has NOTHING to do with whether he was, is, or will be the best QB option.

WR's don't limit your offense because of their inability to keep the ball on the option,

No. But coaches might and appear to have done so.

WR's are not limited by their arm strength,

Worley does not have a weak arm by any standard. As a Soph he registered 50 mph on the jugs gun during warm ups before one of the games. NFL QB's range between 50-60 mph.

WR's can't be blamed for trying to catch lame duck passes that wobble worse than a Matt Darr punt.

Prior to the injury there were very few if any of those.

Also, I would like us to have a QB that is allowed to throw down the middle of the field again, that'd be nice.

"Allowed"? Worley threw to the middle of the field but didn't look good doing it very often. That is a valid criticism.

 

[WesternKyVol]

You are truly classless.... and in this case not very bright too.

The first part is a matter of opinion. If being glad a major detriment to the progression of Tennessee football has a minor injury is classless, I'll wear it.

The second part remains to be seen.

 

[therickbol]

There have been reports that Dobbs has accuracy issues throwing the ball in practice. His performance against Alabama was not 'expected' by any means. Some players are just gamers and hopefully that is the case with Dobbs.

 

[tnwayback]

At the outset CBJ chose to use game experience at QB to begin instead of throwing a green freshman under the bus. The freshman have now been a part of big time football and it is apparent if we want to get in a bowl our best chance will be with using a freshmen QB instead of upperclassmen. The whole team has made great steps of improvement since the seasons beginning, and that includes Dobbs and Fergy. If the rest of the season produces wins for us it will be with the QB play of these freshmen. I believe they will get it done. GO BIG ORANGE!!!!!

 

[sjt18]

He put 3 on the money that were complete drops. A couple of throws were cringe-worthy admittedly...unless you've been watching Worley's wounded ducks all year.

That doesn't excuse hoping for someone to get hurt.

Worley threw passes that were dropped.

However some of what you call drops were WR's not using their bodies to shield the ball then catching with their hands. There's probably two places you absolutely can't get away with that.... Bama... and the NFL. They break on the ball too quickly and are trained to effectively drive through the receiver to the ball.

 

[GAVol]

I hope somebody gets in Dobbs' ear about getting down so he won't take big shots. We're up a creek if he gets hurt.

 

[BOP]

To be honest QB play is about the 5th biggest problem this team has had. 1. Secondary can't tackle 2. Running backs don't alwaysnrun hard/ take what's there. 3. LBs can't cover 4. Dropped passes. Still has a chance to be a decent year under the circumstances.

 

[sjt18]

The first part is a matter of opinion. If being glad a major detriment to the progression of Tennessee football has a minor injury is classless, I'll wear it.

No. Regardless of that non-sense, hoping someone has an injury because you aren't enjoying the "progression of Tennessee football" is classless in the extreme.

The second part remains to be seen.

No. Not really.

 

[GAVol]

The first part is a matter of opinion. If being glad a major detriment to the progression of Tennessee football has a minor injury is classless, I'll wear it.

The second part remains to be seen.

Not only is it classless, it makes a major assumption about the ability of true freshmen QBs which is always shaky.

 

[WesternKyVol]

I was not "hoping" for a Worley injury, but when he couldn't come back for the second half, I was admittedly glad.

The only reason I watched the second half of the Bama game is because they inserted Joshua Dobbs. I was glad I did too. I'm sure a lot of this board feels the same way.

It should not have come to this, IMO, though.

 

[fade route]

The first time Missouri zone blitzes or runs some exotic coverage and Dobbs makes a bad read, you'll understand why true freshmen don't play unless they have to.

Agree, but try telling that to the masses that have crowned him the next Tee Martin after 2 quarters of football.

 

[omghulkhands]

Did you watch the game? He DID in fact play most of his time vs Bama's back ups. Now Bama's back ups are more than likely better players than all but a few SEC starting groups... but they started subbing late in the 3rd qtr.

What am I trying to serve with this obvious TRUTH? I am trying to temper the idea that he just lit it up vs Bama. He did some nice things. There's plenty to hang your hopes on. But it was 5/12 primarily done after Bama started getting starters out.

I have proof you are full of it - http://www.volnation.com/forum/tennessee-vols-football/207107-josh-dobbs-play-play-vs-alabama.html

Skip to 4:37 which is the scoring drive 1 minute deep into the 4th quarter. Still wanna debate that MOST of the time he played against backups?

I see all starters in the secondary during this catch and drive for a TD

33 Trey DePriest
32 C.J. Mosley
26 Landon Collins
haha clinton - dix is also on the field not in frame if you watch
5 Cyrus Jones who started because sylve was hurt

 

[sjt18]

There have been reports that Dobbs has accuracy issues throwing the ball in practice. His performance against Alabama was not 'expected' by any means. Some players are just gamers and hopefully that is the case with Dobbs.

Who is reporting that?