Thoughts on UT QB's

[BOP]

I was not "hoping" for a Worley injury, but when he couldn't come back for the second half, I was admittedly glad.

The only reason I watched the second half of the Bama game is because they inserted Joshua Dobbs. I was glad I did too. I'm sure a lot of this board feels the same way.

It should not have come to this, IMO, though.

1. Worley wasn't that bad 2. Dobbs wasn't that good, he also wasn't that highly recruited. Crown him if you want, he hasn't proven anything.

 

[WesternKyVol]

If you asked most people, they'd rather be benched due to a minor injury than benched because the coach said they weren't up to the challenge.

Again, we are not talking about an ACL here.

 

[butchna]

Nobody hopes that Dobbs succeeds more than I do. That being said, I feel sorry for him if he fails. This place will eat him alive and then cast him away like yesterday's trash.

Not physically....with words...I like his physics up against our hunt and peck assassins
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[WesternKyVol]

1. Worley wasn't that bad 2. Dobbs wasn't that good, he also wasn't that highly recruited. Crown him if you want, he hasn't proven anything.

I haven't crowned him. I'd also like to see Ferguson. The nonsense about save them for 2017 is silly. Butch's fate wll be decided before then. Worley was that bad and giving a full season of snaps seems short-sighted.

 

[BOP]

I haven't crowned him. I'd also like to see Ferguson. The nonsense about save them for 2017 is silly. Butch's fate wll be decided before then. Worley was that bad and giving a full season of snaps seems short-sighted.

Id like to have the better one in 2017 if he is really good. That's the national championship year.

 

[WesternKyVol]

Not only is it classless, it makes a major assumption about the ability of true freshmen QBs which is always shaky.

My only assumption is that they are the future and snaps help. Any freshman who is worth his salt will play at least as well as Worley did this year.

 

[WesternKyVol]

Id like to have the better one in 2017 if he is really good. That's the national championship year.

If Butch keeps recruiting and exceeding expectations on the field, he''ll have a 5 star sophomore on campus by then.

 

[BIGcrowd]

I've seen enough of peterman

Amen! Agreed

 

[sjt18]

I have proof you are full of it - http://www.volnation.com/forum/tennessee-vols-football/207107-josh-dobbs-play-play-vs-alabama.html

Skip to 4:37 which is the scoring drive 1 minute deep into the 4th quarter. Still wanna debate that MOST of the time he played against backups?

I see all starters in the secondary during this catch and drive for a TD

33 Trey DePriest
32 C.J. Mosley
26 Landon Collins
haha clinton - dix is also on the field not in frame if you watch
5 Cyrus Jones who started because sylve was hurt

Back ups were in the game guy. I don't even understand why you are resisting that. If there were some starters still in... that does not mean there weren't back ups.

You could be right that they reinserted more starters for their goal line package but the announcers mentioned it when Bama started putting subs in.

 

[GAVol]

My only assumption is that they are the future and snaps help. Any freshman who is worth his salt will play at least as well as Worley did this year.

There's the assumption I'm talking about. I know Worley hasn't been all that good, but true freshmen tend to play really ugly; especially early. And if you think about it, the times when we've played freshmen early, we had an elite running game and good defense for them to lean on.

 

[golf437]

My only assumption is that they are the future and snaps help. Any freshman who is worth his salt will play at least as well as Worley did this year.

Not true at all.

 

[BOP]

Not true at all.

Sometimes true freshman look great and then regress. Bray...Ainge(sophomore year, improvednafter that.)

 

[BanditVol]

There was a lot of speculation during the spring and summer as to whether Butch would start a true freshman at QB if they displayed enough ability and maturity. I think you'd have to put yourself in Butch's situation to understand why he started Worley. I think most of us would agree that he (Worley) just looks lost, hesitant, and uncertain a good deal of the time. Admittedly, at times he has performed well, with the help of a few circus catches. But, back to my point. In my opinion, Butch knew who the better athlete or athletes are but he also knew that if he were to start either Dobbs or Ferguson over Worley or Peterman, that one or both of them would likely transfer to a school where they knew they could be top dog. If that had happened, then we'd be stuck with an unproven true freshman (albeit a gifted one) as the starter and another true freshman as his back up. I would venture to say that Butch considered these things when making his final decision. Argue, comment, criticize or whatever, that's why I posted it, to stir.

I don't think the transfer crap had anything to do with it. First, with rare exceptions, QBs don't just walk on campus and start. Bray didn't, Clausen didn't, Peyton didn't, and even Ainge didn't...although Schaffer (sp?) did, but he was the ONLY Vol to ever do this.

The kid at FSU is impressive...very impressive. But he stepped into a situation with veteran receivers and an established system that had been in place for years.

Let's be honest...Dobbs and Ferguson seem pretty talented and I have great hopes for them both, but neither is in the category of the kid at FSU. He's in a class by himself.

But even HE would struggle with (a) coaches installing a completely new offense that (b) has only two of the top ten receivers back not including the RBs. And the leading WR coming back was Dallas with 61 receptions, followed by Jacob Carter at 34, and Dallas didn't even really play this year!

I really don't know WTF is wrong with people who wonder about this. It's playing out EXACTLY as it should.

You don't throw a young QB under the bus in those circumstances...and Peterman PROVES THAT!!

And oh yeah...I didn't even mention our early schedule!

Even Winston at FSU would have struggled under the above circumstances, IMO, and neither Dobbs nor Ferguson is in his category. They needed more time to develop.

 

[ETNVol]

My thought are that if Dobbs gets hurt, we're in big trouble. The way that Hubbs talks, Ferguson's injury is not insignificant. I'm hoping Dobbs doesn't take too many risks when he's running.

Whether or not we have a chance this week, I think with a healthy team, we have a real shot to beat Auburn. IMO, that plus winning the last 2 would make this a very successful season.

 

[YorkVol]

Truth be told, I bet Butch is glad too.

I'm assuming you're saying this only because Coach didn't have to deal with the decision of replacing him while he was healthy. Any other reason would seem somewhat douchey.

 

[crunchimusmaximus]

It's really pretty simple...Dobbs is OBVIOUSLY much much better than Worely but Butch was being conservative by playing Worely simply because of his experience and greater command of the offense. This doesn't mean Butch is a bad coach...it just means that great coaches all make these kind of decisions...its really a gamble...one that Butch was wrong on because based on what I saw, we would be in better overall position right now if Dobbs were the starter from day 1. I'm sure Riley is much better than Worely as well.

The truth is Worely is not an SEC level qb...he just isnt....go see what our rivals say who are unbiased about the players....everyone so far has told me we looked like crap on offense with Worely but look dangerous with Dobbs....heDobbs has only played one half so far, but everyone can see how much better he is than Worely..he has a calm swagger out there that Worely just doesn't have and not to mention an actual arm...you can't coach those things.

 

[MiramarVol]

Even Johnny Football and Famous Jameus redshirted. Its just too big of a step from High School to SEC level football to expect a kid to make it without a year in the system. And it has as much to do with off field as on field stuff. Much greater academic load than HS, away from home for the first time, no mama to do the laundry, its just a lot on an 18 year old.

Dobbs has shown a maturity level past his age. When given a chance, he capitalized on it and now is solidifying himself as a leader regardless of age. Leaders are born not made.

 

[calban]

OK. He was epicly bad for a half. Let's be real though, Dobbs was 5-12.

He could just as easily be 8-12 at least.
2 drops (in the hands) and a tipped pass to wide open Croom.
He scored 10 on Bama in 30 minutes.
Better but I agree we still need to see more.

 

[BanditVol]

OK. He was epicly bad for a half. Let's be real though, Dobbs was 5-12.

That's not "epically bad". As others point out, there were drops and IMO you have to factor in that at least 2-3 of those passes were critical to keeping drives going (as opposed to a meaningless 3 yard dump on third and 10), and in particular the 4th down conversion against the no. 1 D in the country was impressive.

As I post elsewhere, SUBJECTIVELY the kid looked great, and I was surprised his stats were that bad.

But the reality is that 12 passes and one half are too short a time to have an opinion one way or the other IMO.

We just have to see how he does the rest of the way. I think we will be pleasantly surprised, but we will see! As posted elsewhere, Mizz doesn't have the greatest pass D, but unlike most, I will point to their rating of 41st in the country in Pass Efficiency D, which is actually average.

So how will Dobbs do vs an average SEC pass D on the road? I don't know, but we have a great running game to help him and he is mobile himself. He only has to keep making a few key plays here and there and we will be in great shape, IMO. :thumbsup:

 

[WesternKyVol]

I'm assuming you're saying this only because Coach didn't have to deal with the decision of replacing him while he was healthy. Any other reason would seem somewhat douchey.

That's the reason.

 

[omghulkhands]

That's not "epically bad". As others point out, there were drops and IMO you have to factor in that at least 2-3 of those passes were critical to keeping drives going (as opposed to a meaningless 3 yard dump on third and 10), and in particular the 4th down conversion against the no. 1 D in the country was impressive.

As I post elsewhere, SUBJECTIVELY the kid looked great, and I was surprised his stats were that bad.

But the reality is that 12 passes and one half are too short a time to have an opinion one way or the other IMO.

We just have to see how he does the rest of the way. I think we will be pleasantly surprised, but we will see! As posted elsewhere, Mizz doesn't have the greatest pass D, but unlike most, I will point to their rating of 41st in the country in Pass Efficiency D, which is actually average.

So how will Dobbs do vs an average SEC pass D on the road? I don't know, but we have a great running game to help him and he is mobile himself. He only has to keep making a few key plays here and there and we will be in great shape, IMO. :thumbsup:

He was referencing Peterman as having the epically bad half and then commented that Dobbs didn't look great either

 

[ChattanoogaVols]

Back ups were in the game guy. I don't even understand why you are resisting that. If there were some starters still in... that does not mean there weren't back ups.

You could be right that they reinserted more starters for their goal line package but the announcers mentioned it when Bama started putting subs in.

Yeah, backups were in the game. Also in the game, as late as the 4th quarter, were the starting mike, will, both starting safeties, and a starting corner. That's 5 of the 11 players who started the game for their defense, and the majority of their starting secondary. There may have been others, but I haven't checked, nor do I plan to--omghulkhands already proved your point to be wrong.

Extra credit: I got more than a few chuckles when I saw that two of your sources to back up your argument was none other than Vern Lundquist and Gary Danielson. Anytime you're using the excrement that flows freely from their mouths, that's a pretty solid indicator that you should just stop.

 

[sjt18]

Yeah, backups were in the game. Also in the game, as late as the 4th quarter, were the starting mike, will, both starting safeties, and a starting corner. That's 5 of the 11 players who started the game for their defense, and the majority of their starting secondary. There may have been others, but I haven't checked, nor do I plan to--omghulkhands already proved your point to be wrong.

So in one post you admit that I was right then said I was proven to be wrong.

That's.... interesting.

Extra credit: I got more than a few chuckles when I saw that two of your sources to back up your argument was none other than Vern Lundquist and Gary Danielson. Anytime you're using the excrement that flows freely from their mouths, that's a pretty solid indicator that you should just stop.

So... they can't read their teleprompter to note the names and numbers of guys who aren't listed in the two deep? They can't read that prompt that subs are being put in?

I agree that neither of those guys would notice if Bama put their cheerleaders in. But they do read the prompter.

 

[BanditVol]

My thought are that if Dobbs gets hurt, we're in big trouble. The way that Hubbs talks, Ferguson's injury is not insignificant. I'm hoping Dobbs doesn't take too many risks when he's running.

Whether or not we have a chance this week, I think with a healthy team, we have a real shot to beat Auburn. IMO, that plus winning the last 2 would make this a very successful season.

If nothing else, we have two walk on QBs, one of whom played at Chattanooga so at least has some college experience.

Their names are Joe Stocstill and Patrick Ashford...we also list a guy named Tyler Page that I don't know anything about.

It will be interesting to see if any of them make the trip.

But let me say this...I think the injury to Ferguson is greatly exaggerated and he is listed as the backup for Missouri because he is ready to go and almost 100%.

Honestly I think some of the folks questioning why he isn't in have an agenda.

 

[BearBryant]

That's probably true but you are about to get smoked for saying it.

However, Dobbs did show running instincts whereas Worley avoided running as much as he could. I think it is likely they told him not to run to avoid having to play a Fr if they could.

I do not think it was a factor in who started. I think it was a factor in their efforts to avoid burning either Fr RS.

I do have one question. Why would a coach put so much emphasis on whether to RedShirt someone vs winning in the current season?

If Dobbs or Riley were better than Worley in Spring and fall practice I believe they would have started.

If they were that good why would you worry about a Red Shirt year.

Let's say Dobbs was best in Spring and Fall. Start Dobbs and redshirt Riley.