Thoughts on UT QB's

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Bottom line: I like Dobbs. I like him alot. Like another poster said within the last few days... I really like "smart" guys like him.

But some are/were so desperate to dismiss Worley that they act like Dobbs walked on water vs Bama. He didn't. He was not in when the game was competitive either. He WAS in when Bama started putting back ups in for experience.

Again, those back ups are likely more talented players than Mizzou's starters... but the comparison is between what Worley faced and what Dobbs faced and if there was an "improvement" when Dobbs came in.

There WAS one play though that really got me excited. The play where he rolled out to avoid pressure then dropped the ball into Johnson (I think) along the sideline. That was an instinctive play. I have not seen Worley do anything like that in his UT career. It is a case of making something out of nothing. Even if Worley is the best technician... you need that "Johnny Football" element sometimes.
 
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MikeTheVol said:
There was a lot of speculation during the spring and summer as to whether Butch would start a true freshman at QB if they displayed enough ability and maturity. I think you'd have to put yourself in Butch's situation to understand why he started Worley. I think most of us would agree that he (Worley) just looks lost, hesitant, and uncertain a good deal of the time. Admittedly, at times he has performed well, with the help of a few circus catches. But, back to my point. In my opinion, Butch knew who the better athlete or athletes are but he also knew that if he were to start either Dobbs or Ferguson over Worley or Peterman, that one or both of them would likely transfer to a school where they knew they could be top dog. If that had happened, then we'd be stuck with an unproven true freshman (albeit a gifted one) as the starter and another true freshman as his back up. I would venture to say that Butch considered these things when making his final decision. Argue, comment, criticize or whatever, that's why I posted it, to stir.
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the two freshman got a ton of reps the first 12-14 days of practice in August to see if they could take over the job. they were lacking. that was when the redshirt decision was made. they just had not shown enough to unseat Worley or Peterman at that juncture. If either had shown they could take game plans and execute them, they would have been chosen.

Once the team got to game prep and game planning, the staff only has time to work with the top 2 QBs week to week (17 hours is all the time available to work with the ENTIRE team). So Ferguson / Dobbs have been running scout team until Peterman was injured.

At that juncture, based on work to that point, Ferguson got the # 2 reps. This changed last week when Fergy began having leg issue with his right leg / foot. Dobbs was elevated to # 2 at that point.

If either had shown with their talent (they are more talented physically) in August that they could have taken this program to a bowl game, they would have started versus Austin Peay.

JMO
 
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BearBryant said:
I do have one question. Why would a coach put so much emphasis on whether to RedShirt someone vs winning in the current season?
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I don't think he was lying when he said Worley was the best option but he is also taking a long view of the program. He's said that many times.

If Dobbs or Riley were better than Worley in Spring and fall practice I believe they would have started.
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Me too. But that does not mean that they do not have more potential or that Jones does not recognize that. Again, I think Worley is better than many here do. I think he is a guy who can get the ball to playmakers once those playmakers "grow up".

I do not necessarily think HE is a "playmaker". Do not know about any of the others. I think Jones would have liked for Dobbs or Ferguson to have been a RS Soph before starting on what should be a very solid team by then.

Let's say Dobbs was best in Spring and Fall. Start Dobbs and redshirt Riley.
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Neither Dobbs nor RF were at UT in the spring. Worley beat Peterman out in the spring. As promised, CBJ gave the fr their shot in August. For all the "what ifs" concerning starting one of the Fr from the beginning... there is the "what if" they had focused on Worley only during August.

CBJ does not seem to think that way though. He seems to NOT want to put all his eggs in one basket but rather wants to see how broad his base is. It takes more time. There is some near term sacrifice... but there should be some nice long term gains.
 
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BearBryant said:
I do have one question. Why would a coach put so much emphasis on whether to RedShirt someone vs winning in the current season?

If Dobbs or Riley were better than Worley in Spring and fall practice I believe they would have started.

If they were that good why would you worry about a Red Shirt year.

Let's say Dobbs was best in Spring and Fall. Start Dobbs and redshirt Riley.
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Dobbs and Ferguson were not at spring practice. Had they been, one may likely have gotten the # 1 job. they did not show enough "knowledge" to manage the offense in the short August window.
 
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1974Vol said:
At an average salary of 2.5 mil a year at the power conferences I would say yes, we do give them WAY too much credit for their opinions on the football abilities of 18-22 year olds. When half the schools recruiting Johnny Manzell project him as a DB at the college level I think that's all you need to know.
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I view Johnny Football through a different prism. While he is flashy and is a journalists dream, there is a problem. ATM's talent level is mid tier in the SEC west. Even with Johnny Money in his nearly two years as a starter, they have only won one game more than their talent predicts. While that was against Bama, ATM joins the ranks of Utah, Auburn, SCAR and others who surprised a Bama team that tends to drop a game of no consequence. If you think I am wrong consider that losing to ATM was of no consequence to Bama's national championship run. That means, at least to me, that the single victory that gave Manziel the hype and the Heisman had no effect on college football. Regardless of what you see with your eyes, Manziel's actual impact on his team, or the greater college football universe, is on par with Maty Mauk or whats-his-name from Ole Miss.
 
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I hate that Worley is not going to be able to finish this season. He was definitely getting better every game. He is an SEC caliber QB!!! Why so many of you want to bash him is disgusting.

I just re watched Tennessee vs. The Red Team(Oh I hope McCarron doesn't read this and get his feeeeeeelings hurt.)

The first drive by Tennessee. Worley yes Worley was moving the team. His 3rd down pass to Croom was on target and could have easily been completed. Two things happened. Croom was slightly held up by the Alabama CB and Croom short armed the pass slightly. He was capable of stretching out and making that catch. This is not intended to bash Croom because it would have been a great catch.

The next play 4th down to Downs. I don't know but this one should have been caught. Somehow Downs lost his balance and fell.

If either Croom or Downs makes the catch, who knows Tennessee may have tied it 7-7 or kicked a FG 7-3. This could have made a big difference in the game. The Red Team would probably have still won but it may have been a much closer game.

Tennessee punted one time in the first half. Worley was moving the team even with an obviously bad thumb. And his passes were accurate until he re-injured it.

My concern for Dobbs and Missouri is this: He has one half of experience. I'm concerned about his accuracy. The Coaches have mentioned this several times during the year. That is Dobbs needs to improve on his accuracy.
 
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sjt18 said:
So in one post you admit that I was right then said I was proven to be wrong.

That's.... interesting.



So... they can't read their teleprompter to note the names and numbers of guys who aren't listed in the two deep? They can't read that prompt that subs are being put in?

I agree that neither of those guys would notice if Bama put their cheerleaders in. But they do read the prompter.
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God you're dense.

I agreed with the singular statement from the post that I had quoted that "backups were in the game", then said your point (referring to your initial post about the backups...rational people understood that) that he was playing against mostly backups for the majority of the time was wrong.

As for Vern and Gary, I'm sorry for not explaining more. Clearly you can't make the connection, nor should I have expected you to...My point was that subs are coming in and out all game long. All game long, starters come out temporarily for breathers, minor injuries, when the coach is pissed over a missed assignment and needs to go off on him/coach him up, etc. So the fact that subs were coming in at that point doesn't mean that the starters were being pulled any more than it means that in the first half. In fact, starters did indeed re-enter the game after they said that.

Also, 2+2 = 4.

Now go ahead and try to find something wrong with everything I said.
 
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sjt18 said:
Wow. Pot meet kettle.

And the question was not about normal substitutions. It is about back ups getting in for experience... not guys who would be part of the normal rotation.
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Dear. God.....

I just....

Wow.

I was saying that whenever subs go in, AT THE MOMENT THAT THE SUBS GO IN, you don't know at that moment if they're going in temporarily or going in to finish the game out (and yes, they're the same ones who are part of the regular rotation whenever starters need temporary breathers throughout the game), so Vern and Gary pointing out that Bama was pulling their starters was not based on anything relevant; it was based on subs going in, something that happens throughout the entire game, every game. So knowing that, using their speculative statements to back up your point was reaching at best.

And starters did, in fact, return to the game AFTER Vern/Gary said that, proving they had no clue if Bama was pulling their starters for good or just subbing temporarily.

Again the subs who finished out the game were the same ones who do regularly sub in, who ARE part of the normal rotation. The ones who never see game time on a regular basis didn't come in until WELL into the 4th quarter.


I can't wait to see what you don't comprehend about this post.
 
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I'm not here to defend the announcers. The players who were going in were not regulars. They were guys being inserted to get experience.

My comprehension has nothing to do with you being wrong.
 
#116
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Let's see if you can "comprehend" this. Bama inserted several players who were NOT part of the regular rotation during the time when Dobbs was playing. Translation: He did NOT play against the same rotation as Worley. Conclusion: While Dobbs did some nice things and "looked" good you have to temper that with the fact that the game was out of hand, back ups were going in, and he only went 5/12.

Can you accept that?
 
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sjt18 said:
I'm not here to defend the announcers. The players who were going in were not regulars. They were guys being inserted to get experience.

My comprehension has nothing to do with you being wrong.
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Your comprehension, or lack thereof, has everything to do with your skewed opinions that are thoroughly void of any factual basis, as hulkhands has already proven. You're a joke. Congrats on being the first person on my ignore list.
 
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sjt18 said:
Let's see if you can "comprehend" this. Bama inserted several players who were NOT part of the regular rotation during the time when Dobbs was playing. Translation: He did NOT play against the same rotation as Worley. Conclusion: While Dobbs did some nice things and "looked" good you have to temper that with the fact that the game was out of hand, back ups were going in, and he only went 5/12.

Can you accept that?
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Out of curiosity, who were the non-regular players inserted into the rotation?
 
#120
#120
Let the coaching staff make the decisions. That's what they get paid to do. If no one likes it then complain to the Athletic Directory, Boosters and get them fired. After this anyone who knows how to run the team needs to put their name in the hat as a replacement on the coaching staff then everyone can get online and post how much a terrible job and poor decisions you are doing. Armchair coaching, computer coaching..........some things will never change. Support the VOLS or go back to sleep. P.S. Can't wait to see the next immature smart aleck comment.
 
#121
#121
Anybody that thought Worley is the answer at QB can't read a stat sheet or a QB rating. He was pushing last in the SEC and way down overall in D1 football. Nice guys don't always make the best starting QBs. Nice guys need talent too.
 
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Worley was pushed into the Bama game his freshman year...against subs who were trying to stay awake,and proceeded to hand the ball off five times...in limited playing time leading up to this season, Worley plugged away but never distinguished himself...against ANY string he played against (unless you count MTSU)..counter that with a true freshman put in against a monster team DETERMINED to shut his team OUT...his first snaps in competition...I was impressed with both his composure and performance...sue me for not splitting hairs and going Zapruder film over which set of 5* Bammers were being thrown at him...maybe Ferguson is the better talent and should get the opportunity to show that...maybe Worley's injured thumb will heal accompanied with an extra burst of strength that will launch him to superstardom ala Tommy John surgery in pitchers...WHO KNOWS...I like the right now and am willing to risk the letdown if it doesn't come to fruition...suggest the same course of action for fellow Vol fans...it's real cool :)
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#124
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Tokeup69 said:
Have to agree with the OP...Worley did look lost and hesitants for too long..alot of passes thrown off target biggest thing about Worley that bugs me and he don't really set his feet when he throws probly be hell a lot better if he learned to set before he throws...that being said dobb looked decent against bama he moved the ball got some plays to get us some points im excited to see what happens tomorrow night!!
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I agree!!
 
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ChattanoogaVols said:
Your comprehension, or lack thereof, has everything to do with your skewed opinions that are thoroughly void of any factual basis, as hulkhands has already proven. You're a joke. Congrats on being the first person on my ignore list.
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Except that you... and he... are wrong.

You got your feelings hurt because I answered you in another thread and now want to play all big boy. That's fine. I promise I won't miss you.
 
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