Three SEALs are now facing court-martial charges.

[gsvol]

Where do you stand??

Should they be convicted, do you thing AG Eric Holder will be advocating their pardon????

BTW, IMO, Henry Waxman is as sorry a pos as you will ever find in American politics, even lower than John f....ing Kerry, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

 

[orangeblooded2]

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A court-martial is defined as “a military court to try members of the armed services who are accused of serious breaches of martial (military) law.”

I don't see the crime fitting the criteria of it being a serious breach. I also think they kind of brought it upon themselves, in so much as they refused a disciplinary hearing (if I understood it correctly) and choose to send it to a court martial. Kind of a all or nothing. Possibly a smart move that will keep their service record clean. I don't see them getting anything beyond a smack on the wrist. Deserved or not. Which is all they would have gotten at a disciplinary hearing, if that.

 

[gsvol]

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A court-martial is defined as “a military court to try members of the armed services who are accused of serious breaches of martial (military) law.”

I don't see the crime fitting the criteria of it being a serious breach. I also think they kind of brought it upon themselves, in so much as they refused a disciplinary hearing (if I understood it correctly) and choose to send it to a court martial. Kind of a all or nothing. Possibly a smart move that will keep their service record clean. I don't see them getting anything beyond a smack on the wrist. Deserved or not. Which is all they would have gotten at a disciplinary hearing, if that.

Would that not be intuitively obvious to the most casual of observers?

Are you an arm services veteran?

Have you ever known a Seal?

Do you think our CIC is ligitimately qualified to be just that?

Do you read a lot of DU material???

 

[orangeblooded2]

Would that not be intuitively obvious to the most casual of observers?

Are you an arm services veteran?

Have you ever known a Seal?

Do you think our CIC is ligitimately qualified to be just that?

Do you read a lot of DU material???

Funny!

From your intro into the story. I thought it was you who was lacking in the observation skills to answer these questions.

 

[gsvol]

Funny!

From your intro into the story. I thought it was you who was lacking in the observation skills to answer these questions.

 

[vol_in_ar]

Where do you stand??

Should they be convicted, do you thing AG Eric Holder will be advocating their pardon????

BTW, IMO, Henry Waxman is as sorry a pos as you will ever find in American politics, even lower than John f....ing Kerry, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

their fellow Seal's that captured the terrorist, should have killed him instead of capturing him

 

[BeecherVol]

their fellow Seal's that captured the terrorist, should have killed him instead of capturing him

I agree.

I wonder if our Seal's will be treated as fairly, as the terrorists that will be on trial, for 9/11.

 

[VolFan32]

The terrorist they caught is lucky to just have a bloody lip and not dead.

 

[gsvol]

Thank God for men of courage and conviction.

Finally someone speaks out for the three SEALS who finally captured the al qaeda dog who five years ago, directed and participated in the quadrupal murder/mutilation pictured below.

Here is an excerpt from an interview with Duncan D.'s father, Duncan LEE Hunter:

DH: On the other hand, you say we got a prisoner who has a fat lip….you’ve got to remember that these guys in combat are human, they’re not zombies, and again, they aren’t seminal men in black robes in a smoking lounge in the Supreme Court. They are out there in the middle of combat. And as one of the justices once remarked, you have to put them in that context, and understand those are decisions made in the heat of combat. You have to accord them that situation.

AJM: I think you nailed it on that last one. I think as you do find out some more information on this as it comes in – it’s exploded as an issue in the news now – so more and more information is coming out. It sounds like a ‘he said’ – he being the terrorist – versus ‘they said’, being the SEALS. So I would urge the people above who make these decisions to take the word of 4 SEALS over the word of a murderer….

DH: I would agree with that.

And you know something else. Look at the disparity in standards here, and the unfairness that enshrouds this entire situation. That is, you had four contractors; they bumbled off the main road in Falluja in April of 2004, or late March of 2004. They were captured, grabbed by this crowd, presumably at the behest of this Al Qaeda leader. They were murdered. They were dragged through the streets. They were hung from that bridge and they were burned as I recall.

And where the American press is going to focus is not on that fact, not on the remarkable cruelty of Al Qaeda and their ruthless nature, but it’s going to be on whether or not the guy that did this got a fat lip…

That could be one of the reasons why the American press is downsizing and/or going out of business right and left.

Seems the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, it is my sincere hope that Duncan Hunter will be the Republican nominee in the next presidential election, LSM totally ignored him last time.

It's a pity they can't pit Huckabee and Romney, neither of which is acceptable to any real republican, now that the Huckster is out of it and Romney is about as popular as the clap.

Not sure if this is the punk Ahmed Hashim Abed in the photo below.

Press Release:

The Law Firm of Puckett & Faraj, PC is grateful for the outpouring of public support for these Navy SEALs. The Firm represents PO McCabe, the main defendant in the case. Several have asked how they may contact the Navy and United States Central Command to voice their support for these three Navy SEALs. The addresses for their senior commanding officers are:

Convening Authority: MG Charles T. Cleveland SOCCENT/CC 7701 Tampa Point Boulevard McDill AFB, FL 33621

Administrative Authorities: Chief of Naval Operations 2000 Navy Pentagon Washington, DC 20350-2000 and the Secretary of the Navy 1000 Navy Pentagon Washington, DC 20350-1000

The Navy SEAL community has contacted the Firm and is inquired about setting up defense funds for these brave SEALs who risked their lives to capture this alleged terrorist. In the meantime, those who wish to donate to PO McCabe’s Defense may do so by sending a check, cashiers check or money order made out to “The Law Firm of Puckett & Faraj, PC”; annotate the memo section of the check with “For SO2 McCabe”; and mail it to the Firm at: 2181 Jamieson Ave, Suite 1505, Alexandria, VA 22314.

There is a face book page with about 40,000 members already who are expressing support for the SEALs.

 

[gsvol]

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A court-martial is defined as “a military court to try members of the armed services who are accused of serious breaches of martial (military) law.”

I don't see the crime fitting the criteria of it being a serious breach. I also think they kind of brought it upon themselves, in so much as they refused a disciplinary hearing (if I understood it correctly) and choose to send it to a court martial. Kind of a all or nothing. Possibly a smart move that will keep their service record clean. I don't see them getting anything beyond a smack on the wrist. Deserved or not. Which is all they would have gotten at a disciplinary hearing, if that.

I'll try again. (I don't think you understood correctly.)

What you describe as a disciplinary hearing was an admission of guilt called a 'captain's mast'. (from the era of being tied to the mast and flogged.)

The courts martial is a disiplinary hearing involving prosecution by the government of the USA, the captain's mast meant admission of guilt and non-judicial punishment, ie; a slap on the wrist.

It is a matter of principle, they do not believe themselves to be guilty, nor do I.

More information.

“I don’t know how they’re going to bring this detainee to the United States and give us our constitutional right to confrontation in the courtroom,”

“But again, we have (foreign) terrorists getting their constitutional rights in New York City, but I suspect that they’re going to deny these SEALs their right to confrontation in a military courtroom in Virginia.”

Neal Puckett, an attorney representing McCabe

"But all history has taught us the grim lesson that no nation has ever been successful in avoiding the terrors of war by refusing to defend its rights--by attempting to placate aggression."
Dwight David Eisenhower 1959

We are bending over backwards for this murderer for nothing except the vain attempt to appease the unappeasable.

"Nothing is easy in war. Mistakes are always paid for in casualties and troops are quick to sense any blunder made by their commanders."
Eisenhower

This is a failure in command from the judas goat at the top all the way down.

"Morale is the greatest single factor in successful war."
Eisenhower

The media explains to us that the unusually high number of suicides by members of the military is all our own fault.

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague."
Marcus Tullius Cicero
Died 7 December 43 BC.

I have a few hours college credits in the study of the UCMJ, I think charges should be filed against the CIC.

But that's just my legal opinion on the matter fwiw.

Anyone who stands for nothing will fall for anything.

I can't countenance the statement; "they brought it all upon themselves."

They may (and should) be found innocent of all charges but even then that goes in their personel record.

I'm appalled that EVERYONE isn't outraged but then nothing surprises me any more, ignorance has become an artform.

 

[volfanjustin]

The fact that we are even entertaining the thought of prosecuting these very brave men is a freaking outrage. This admin wants to be liked by the rest of the world so badly they will throw our own military under the bus. When Chris Matthews said Obama was in enemy territory when he spoke in front of the troops when he was announcing the surge in Afghanistan, this is what he was talking about. This pres. hates this country and our military. The American left is not a friend of the military. Its a shame this admin is more than willing to let these guys get prosecuted for a bloody lip for a terrorist who committed very terrible acts against Americans.

 

[gsvol]

The fact that we are even entertaining the thought of prosecuting these very brave men is a freaking outrage. This admin wants to be liked by the rest of the world so badly they will throw our own military under the bus. When Chris Matthews said Obama was in enemy territory when he spoke in front of the troops when he was announcing the surge in Afghanistan, this is what he was talking about. This pres. hates this country and our military. The American left is not a friend of the military. Its a shame this admin is more than willing to let these guys get prosecuted for a bloody lip for a terrorist who committed very terrible acts against Americans.

You're right it is a shame an atttempt to prosecute them has gotten this far and further shame if the citizens don't bring enough pressure to bear on our senators and congress critters to have them object to the administration and to the defense department in objection.

So far the only congressman to weigh in on this (to my knowledge) is Duncan Hunter. Bravo for him.

You're way too kind to this administration.

As for the policy of appeasing the enemy, hit ain't working bubba!!


I suspect Barry and company understand that each act of appeasement merely embolds our enemy.

 

[volfanjustin]

You're right it is a shame an atttempt to prosecute them has gotten this far and further shame if the citizens don't bring enough pressure to bear on our senators and congress critters to have them object to the administration and to the defense department in objection.

So far the only congressman to weigh in on this (to my knowledge) is Duncan Hunter. Bravo for him.

You're way too kind to this administration.

As for the policy of appeasing the enemy, hit ain't working bubba!!


I suspect Barry and company understand that each act of appeasement merely embolds our enemy.

I try to show some restraint in here. I am really holding back, I was getting more angry as I wrote my reply. I can't say how I really feel.

I love Duncan Hunter, I supported him for POTUS

 

[gsvol]

I try to show some restraint in here. I am really holding back, I was getting more angry as I wrote my reply. I can't say how I really feel.

I love Duncan Hunter, I supported him for POTUS

:good!:

Seriously, if you call your congressional representative and both senator's offices and as politely as you possibly can, vent your anger on one specific topic, (such as this bogus SEAL prosecution,) putting a bit of emotion in your voice, they will get the message.

As one special interest group who has been in business and influential for over a century has said; "politics is not a spectator sport, get involved."

There are those elected officials who have become too arrogant to respond but still, you have your vote and you have your influence with other voters and politicians understand this and will generally do what thay have to do to stay in office.

As one man who used to live on senators row just down the street from Robert kennedy et al, said to me long ago; "historically it hasn't been movements that have shaped history, it has been one man who siezed the day and took the lead, and has made lasting contributions to the betterment of mankind."

Look what Ronnie Reagan did

Just to prove how bogus the Nobel prize has become, Carter got one, Reagan didn't and Al Nobel meant well when he funded that prize because he did so out of a guilty concience and that just shows how the best of things can be completely corrupted over time.

And the Dems are waaaay underestimating Sarah Palin too, hell hath no fury such as a woman scorned and she is ready to fight tooth and nail after the unwarranted and unfair attacks she suffered last election.

 

[volfanjustin]

:good!:

Seriously, if you call your congressional representative and both senator's offices and as politely as you possibly can, vent your anger on one specific topic, (such as this bogus SEAL prosecution,) putting a bit of emotion in your voice, they will get the message.

As one special interest group who has been in business and influential for over a century has said; "politics is not a spectator sport, get involved."

There are those elected officials who have become too arrogant to respond but still, you have your vote and you have your influence with other voters and politicians understand this and will generally do what thay have to do to stay in office.

As one man who used to live on senators row just down the street from Robert kennedy et al, said to me long ago; "historically it hasn't been movements that have shaped history, it has been one man who siezed the day and took the lead, and has made lasting contributions to the betterment of mankind."

Look what Ronnie Reagan did

Just to prove how bogus the Nobel prize has become, Carter got one, Reagan didn't and Al Nobel meant well when he funded that prize because he did so out of a guilty concience and that just shows how the best of things can be completely corrupted over time.

And the Dems are waaaay underestimating Sarah Palin too, hell hath no fury such as a woman scorned and she is ready to fight tooth and nail after the unwarranted and unfair attacks she suffered last election.

I have them all on speed dial, I call so often

 

[gsvol]

I have them all on speed dial, I call so often

:clapping:

God bless you, God bless your children, God bless their children and their children's children.

God bless all God's chilluns.

God bless America, land of the free and home of the brave.